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56 posts · Oct 14, 1991 to Oct 13, 2004

Sandi P.Clemson UniversityOct 14, 1991
 From article , by [email removed] (D. Hantula):
 > Can anyone recommend any good/interesting restaurants (especially ethnic)
 > in San Diego for folks on a "university" budget?  We'll be out for
 > EDUCOM and would like to sample some good food.  At least one person in
 > our party has a special interest in Mexican food.  Please e-mail any
 > recommendations.  Thanks!!
 >
 > Don   ([email removed])
 >
 >
 Casa de Bandini in Old Town had excellent Mexican food ... large
 quantities with a very varied menu and excellent prices. 5 of us almost
 killed ourselves on food with a maragrita each (big enough to take a
 bath in!), and we got out of there for $71 total !!!!!

                    Sandi
Leon T.Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CAOct 15, 1991
 D. H. wrote:
 >Can anyone recommend any good/interesting restaurants (especially ethnic)
 >in San Diego for folks on a "university" budget?  We'll be out for
 >EDUCOM and would like to sample some good food.  At least one person in

 There was a place near San Diego State named Aesop's Tables that had decent
 middle eastern/greek food.  There may be other locations.  Prices were cheap.

 ========================================================================

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 Leon Traister ([email removed])

 c/o Amdahl Corporation            (408)737-5449
 1250 E. Arques Ave.  M/S 338
 P.O. Box 3470
 Sunnyvale, CA  94088-3470
Gerard N.San Diego Supercomputer CenterOct 16, 1991
 Leon T. wrote:
 >
 >There was a place near San Diego State named Aesop's Tables that had decent
 >middle eastern/greek food.  There may be other locations.  Prices were cheap.

 It's near UCSD, not near SDSU.  Reasonable Greek food.
Ken B.Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CAOct 16, 1991
 If you want traditional (not American Mexican) food, try Guadalajara Grill
 on the corner of Taylor and Juan St in Old Town, a few blocks away from
 Casa de Bandini.

 You might also want to try Athens Market, La Gran Tapa, or the pizza place
 at Seaport Village (can't remember the name).  The Old Spaghetti factory
 is also really popular--huge quantities for a fair price.
Steve L.University of Calif. San Diego Microscope and Imaging ResourceOct 16, 1991
 D. H. wrote:
 >Can anyone recommend any good/interesting restaurants (especially ethnic)
 >in San Diego for folks on a "university" budget?  We'll be out for
 >EDUCOM and would like to sample some good food.  At least one person in
 >our party has a special interest in Mexican food.  Please e-mail any
 >recommendations.  Thanks!!

 Well, if you're mobile, I'd suggest heading up to The Market Cafe in
 Solana Beach.  Great Mexican food!  The Blue Bird (El Pajaro Azul) is
 right next door and some argue that it is better than The Market Cafe
 -- I like them both.  They are a few miles north, however.

 Here's excerpt from the UCSD "Student Food" list from the local group
 sdnet.eats:
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 Further Away

 Chinese restaurants that come recommended are Miss China (on Avenida
 de la Playa in La Jolla Shores), Mandarin House on La Jolla Blvd. (a
 bit noisy), Double Happiness in Del Mar (not quite so impressive, and
 expensive), Tin Ching in Pacific Beach, and Chang Mai (50th and
 University).  Sun's Kitchen on La Jolla Blvd. is also supposed to be
 great, but was recently sold and supposedly has gone downhill.  Peking
 Palace at UTC, and the Mandarin House downtown come with lesser
 recommendations.  The Mandarin Garden in the Mira Mesa mall is a bit
 dirty, but their soups are supposed to be good.  There's also a lot of
 ``real'' Chinese restaurants on Convoy in Kearney Mesa; some of these
 serve Dim Sum.  Try San Choy, the Emporer's Palace, and Woo Chee
 Chong.  In general, the dim-sum in San Diego isn't as good as that in
 L.A. or San Francisco.  Imperial Mandarin has good dim sum on
 weekends.  There's also some good restaurants in Clairemont and Linda
 Vista.  There's also a Korean restaurant on Convoy, and a Vietnamese
 restaurant called Pho Pasteur in Linda Vista.  More Vietnamese
 restaurants can be found out in El Cajon or on University Avenue
 beyond 40th Street.

 For Thai restaurants, the best and cheapest may be Siam and Chang Mai
 down in San Diego on the East part of University Avewnue.  Also, try
 House of Bangkok on Garnet in Pacific Beach, Siamese Cuisine in
 Clairemont, and Bankok Palace in Serra Mesa, Saffron Chicken, on India
 Street (near El Indio) has Thai-style chicken and daily specials.
 It's a thai-fast-food place, but it's good.

 Japanese:  Go to Convoy between Clairemont Mesa and Balboa Aves.  There's
 three good Japanese noodle houses within a couple blocks of each other.
 Chopstix has the lowest prices; the restaurant across the street from it has
 the largest portions, and a restaurant just north of Chopstix (at the back of
 the strip mall with the French Gourmet) supposedly has the best food.
 There's another Japanese restaurant in UTC, and another in the Vons Shopping
 Center on Regents.  The one on Regents is reasonable ($6.00 for dinner including
 miso soup, salad, entree such as ginger chicken, and tempura or sushi.)

 Pizza: did you know that there are neighborhoods in La Jolla where
 only Domino's delivers?  A fate worse than death.  Luckily, if you're
 on campus, there's others that deliver.  BJ's sells Chicago style deep
 dish pizza as well as thin crust.  Their deep dish pizzas get a bit
 dry, so make sure to ask for extra sauce.  They will deliver to AP\&M,
 supposedly take credit cards, and always seem to have \$2 off coupons
 in the Guardian.  The pizza also is pretty good.  The restaurant is
 also a pretty good place to take a group to eat.  Papachino's in the
 Von's Shopping Center on Regents makes a better traditional pizza and
 is a good place for groups to sit and talk.  Their beer selection is
 seriously lacking, and the dining room is pink and green with lots of
 mirrors.  The Straw Hat Pizza (551-0125) in a hole in the wall off Avenida
 just off Avenida de la Playa in La Jolla Shores make strange pizzas -- Thai
 Chicken Pizza with peanut sauce, chicken pesto pizza, fresh tomato and basil
 pizza, and so on.  They're also close to the beach.

 Other people have mentioned Carino's on La Jolla Blvd. south of Pearl
 Street, and Mario's Ristorante in LaJolla Village Square.  All of
 their Italian dishes are quite good, and they are very reasonably
 priced, especially considering portion sizes.  Pizzeria Uno on Mission
 in PB has some exotic pizzas: seafood, broccoli and spinach, and a
 very good sausage, worth trying.  There's also a deep-dish pizza place on
 Prospect near Hunter's books.

 If there's one thing you'll always be able to find in San Diego, it's
 a cheap taco stand.  Roberto's is the largest chain, though there's
 similar shops called Alberto's, Umberto's, Rodrigo's and the like
 around the area.  Everyone seems to have their own favorite.  Once
 you've tried the different Roberto's, try Alberto's, Cojita's, Don
 Pedro's, Juan Carlos', and Taco Salsa in Pacific Beach.
 Unfortunately, these places tend to have a hard time keeping the
 quality consistent.

 El Indio's on India Street (take I5 south to the Sassafras exit, turn
 left on Sassafras and left again on India Street) is much less of a
 hole in the wall and has a bigger menu.  Alfonso's in La Jolla's a bit
 pricey, but it's gotten some good comments.  El Tecolote in the Big
 Bear shopping center on Governor has better food than the taco shops.
 When you want fish tacos, go to Rubio's (in Pacific Beach and
 elsewhere.)

 When you want to try something a bit more interesting, try Lorna's
 Italian Kitchen (noveau italian) near Vons at Governor at Genesee.
 More traditional italian food can be found on India Street in Little
 Italy.  Filippi's Pizza/Deli seems to be really good, and has a
 full-on deli in the front.  The smell is heavenly -- you have to walk
 through the deli to get to the restaurant, and by the time you sit
 down to dinner, your mouth is already watering.  As you might guess,
 there are other Italian suppliers in those two or three blocks of
 India street as well.

 If you want to go to a brew-pub, try the Old Columbia Cafe and Brewery
 downtown.  The Cheese Shop on Avenida de la Playa in La Jolla Shores
 gets good reviews for its lunches.  For a change of pace, try the
 Hungarian restaurant on 15th (?)  Ave. in Del Mar, across from the
 Post Office.  If you like seafood, you want to get dressed up, and you
 have some money to spend, try Jake's in Del Mar, across from the train
 station.  Across the street (from Mandarin Garden in Mira Mesa Mall)
 there is a Fuddrucker's for really good burgers and other stuff (avoid
 the ``steak'').  There are other midling chains in that area too, like
 Red Lobster and Black Angus, if you like that sort of thing.

 For breakfasts, try The Big Kitchen, 30th and Grape.  The best
 breakfast joint in San Diego.  Honest to God, it'll make you think
 you're in Berkeley (or at least the 60's.)  The help will quit as soon
 as they get their big break in show business; Whoopi Goldberg worked
 here and has a menu item named after her.  Expect to wait an hour for
 a table on weekends, but Judy the Beauty on Duty will ply you with
 coffee meanwhile.  Go there.  Now.

 Cafes in Hillcrest: Soho, on University around 10th?  Late night coffeehouse
 open from 6:30 am to 4 am.  Artsy types, academics, smokers, noise.  If you
 like this sort of thing, it can be a great place to study.

 Vegetarian: 3 choices.  (1) Grain Country, 30th and Upas.  Strictly
 macrobiotic, so you can get perfectly prepared brown rice and weird
 vegetables that you don't know the name of.  Adjoining grocery has
 more kinds of soy sauce than anywhere but Woo Chee Chong Market.  (2)
 Govinda's, 31st and University.  Run by
 your friendly Hare Krishna brethren.  Reasonably priced
 all-you-can-eat specials for lunch and dinner, including complementary
 brochures on karmic dietary principles.  (3) Jimbo's, 30th and
 University.  Pizzas in various grades of normalcy, including one with
 whole wheat crust, macrobiotically balanced red sauce containing no
 tomatoes, and tofu cheese.  Pasta dishes, salad bar, and a better than
 average selection of beers.

 Of course, if you find any really cool restaurants, make sure to tell
 us about them, okay?

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                                     spl (the p stands for
                                     pass the salt, somebody)
Steve L.University of Calif. San Diego Microscope and Imaging ResourceOct 16, 1991
 Sandi P. wrote:
 >From article , by [email removed] (D. Hantula):
 >> Can anyone recommend any good/interesting restaurants (especially ethnic)
 >> in San Diego for folks on a "university" budget? ...

 >Casa de Bandini in Old Town had excellent Mexican food ... large
 >quantities with a very varied menu and excellent prices. 5 of us almost
 >killed ourselves on food with a maragrita each (big enough to take a
 >bath in!), and we got out of there for $71 total !!!!!

 While I don't disrecommend Casa de Bandini IMHO it is more than a
 trifle touristy.  It is also crowded and noisy most nights.  The waits
 can be *very* long if you go with any size group -- more than 5 or so.
 We waited for better than an hour the last time our lab group went there.

 The food isn't all that bad, but it is pretty gringo -- at least for
 my tastes.  But I'm from California and your mileage may differ.

                                     spl (the p stands for
                                     put my money on The
                                     Market Cafe...)
Bonni E.Cray Research, Inc.Oct 18, 1991
 D. H. wrote:
 >Can anyone recommend any good/interesting restaurants (especially ethnic)
 >in San Diego for folks on a "university" budget?  We'll be out for
 >EDUCOM and would like to sample some good food.  At least one person in
 >our party has a special interest in Mexican food.  Please e-mail any
 >recommendations.  Thanks!!

 It's been two years(almost) since I moved away, so my info may be a little
 out a date.  Two of our favorite spots in SD were pretty low budget.  One,
 called Mr. Noodle, is fashioned after a Japanese ramen house.  Great ramen,
 Japanese style spaghetti, and other noodle dishes at great prices in huge
 quantities.  It was located south of Clairemont Mesa blvd on the east side
 of Convoy.  It's in one of those little strip malls and you can't see it from
 the street, it's right next to a motorcycle dealership.  The other favorite
 is a Mexican restaurant called Julio's.  Kind of a dingy place, but great food
 and great prices.  It's on the North side of University Ave in...  my memory
 fails me, it's west of SDSU, tho.   Have fun!!

 Bonni
Bill C.Sun, Surf 'n Sushi, San Diego, CAOct 19, 1991
 Ken B. wrote:
 >
 >If you want traditional (not American Mexican) food, try Guadalajara Grill
 >on the corner of Taylor and Juan St in Old Town

 Sorry, I've been checking into G.G.'s the past couple years and still
 can't appreciate their menu (I've been perverted on Cal-Mex food! ;-).
 Try Panchita's, corner of Washinton & Falcon streets in Mission Hills
 (just up the hill from I-5).  Good menu, low prices, outstanding
 service.  Unlike G.G.'s you don't get a loud, obnoxious mariachi combo;
 rather a bland Mexican FM station for background music.  Great for
 business lunches, or dinner with friends.
Kenny H.Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CAJun 15, 1992
 Someone wrote:
 >Where are some good restaurants in San Diego?
 >Preferably around USC (?).
 >My boyfriend is going to be there a week or so and would like some suggestions.
 >Thanks!
 >-------------
 >All opinions are mine, I tell you, MINE, MINE, MINE, MINE, MINE (unless you
 >want to rent them for a small fee...)
 >-Cyndi [email removed]
 >-M.D. Anderson Cancer Center-----Houston, Texas
 >-ph: 713/794-4938--------------fax: 713/792-4262

 You didn't mention price, so here goes.....

 My number one most favorite place is Guilio's in Mission Beach.
 the best Northern Itailian food ever,. food prices range from
 $8 to 19 per person....go there, now!!!!!!!!!
 It is on Thomas and Mission Blvd, only one block from the beach.

 Another great place, where a lot of my ex-restaurant buddies still
 work is Qwiig's (that IS how it's spelled).  It is in Ocean Beach,
 right on the beach at the end of Newport Dr. (I think).  Great
 seafood and the sunset there is georgeous.

 Have fun........
Dan K.CERFnetApr 13, 1993
 Charles L. wrote:

 >Need reccommendations for San Diego!!!

 >Please help.

 Mexican:  Everyone in San Diego knows where the best Mexican food is.  The
 problem is, everyone has a different answer.  My favorites:  Old Town Mexican
 Cafe in Old Town.  Always crowed, excellent food, large portions, low prices
 lots of fun.  Old Town is fun to walk around, too, and if you can't stand
 the wait, there are other good restaurants in and around Old Town.  A buddy
 of mine at work swears by El Tecolote.  For reliably wonderful fast Mexican
 food, try out either or both of La Salsa and El Indio.

 French:  The French Gourmet (in Pacific Beach and La Jolla) is very good French
 cooking at a very reasonable price.  The pastries are orgasmic.

 Italian:  Lorna's Italian Kitchen.  Italian food this good ought to cost
 twice as much, but don't tell them!  Two locations.

 There's also excellent Oriental cooking all around, one of my favorites is
 My Canh.

 If you want to drop heavy bucks, check out the Gaslamp District and La Jolla.
 I can't help guide you there, though.

 Good luck, enjoy, and if you haven't been to the Wild Animal Park, do so.

 - Dan.
Joel W.San Diego State University, College of SciencesApr 14, 1993
 Charles L. wrote:

 : >Need reccommendations for San Diego!!!

 : >Please help.

      Afghani: the Khyber Pass

      Iranian (well, really, Gulf food...): The Shish Kabob

      Greek: The Greek Corner (for gyros, souvlaki, the like)

             Calliope (fine dining) (or try Athens Market)

      German: You're outta' luck.

      Cuban:  You're outta' luck.

      Seafood: Red Sails Inn (or try the Fish Merchant)

      Prime rib, steak...: Bully's

      Korean: Outta' luck, but L.A. has some good Korean, I think in the Pasadena area.

      e coli: Jack in the Box

      nightmares: San Diego State University, any "commons" (cafeteria)

      Jazz: Catamaran, B Street Cafe

      Places not to be when the Rose Canyon Fault breaks: B Street Cafe, Sea World, downtown,
                                                          Hillcrest,

      Places not to be after dark: most of downtown, anywhere south of El Cajon Blvd.,

      Place to see the worst management of a Major League Baseball team in history:
      San Diego Jack Murphy Stadium

      People not to piss off: the paleolithic San Diego Police or Sheriffs

      News to look at: channel 39 (cable 7) or channel 8 (cable 8). The other
 major one, channel 10, has the worst news in the free world.

      The Pen 'n' Pun, in Mission Valley, had great swordfish, but I think it's closed.

      Best frozen dacquiri on the beach: Chillers

      BEST BREAKFAST: D Z Akins (you can also get kosher food here, in case that interests you)

      Best view of sunset and bikinis: La Haina Beach House

            MEXICAN

      No trip to San Diego is complete without eating Mexican here.

      Best fish tacos/burritos: Los Tres Amigos

      Best rolled tacos: Robertos (runner up: Albertos)

      As far as Mexican dinners, put ten San Diegans in a room and you get
 ten different answers. One possibility: Casa Maria (but ask around when you
 get here)

      n.b. Spanish food is not Mexican...

      Best Spanish: Berta's or La Gran Tapa (a tie)

      Best barbeque: Clay's Texas Pit Barbeque

      Most romantic: Highly debatable. Call it Peohe's

      Best microbrewery: Old Columbia Brewery

      Best microbrewery AND (Let's euphemize) California Cuisine: Hops'

      Best Italian: Etna (?)

      I'm hungry.

      BYE.

      Joel
Steve L.University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging ResourceApr 14, 1993
 Joel W. wrote:
 >     Best barbeque: Clay's Texas Pit Barbeque

 Last time I drove by Clay's appeared to be closed.  Is there a new location?

 >     Best microbrewery: Old Columbia Brewery

 I'd nominate La Jolla Brewing Company as a close second.

 >     Best microbrewery AND (Let's euphemize) California Cuisine: Hops'

 Inasmuch as it's the only one in its class, I guess that's true...
 however, I've had mixed experiences there -- the service can be a
 trifle spotty, as can the ESB.  I understand they have a new
 brewmaster now and the last time I had the ESB it was better.  The
 bock is quite nice (and fairly potent, so if you're planning on driving
 afterward, be warned).

                                           spl
William B.University of California, San DiegoApr 14, 1993
 Steve L. wrote:
 >Joel W. wrote:
 >>     Best microbrewery: Old Columbia Brewery

 YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!!!!  While Columbia might actually be
 the best in Sandiego it is only because other places are even worse.
 For instance Brewskis is the seller of swill!

 In terms of beer I would have to place Hops above Old Columbia.  I
 have yet to have a bad ESB from them but I have heard stories.  The
 "designer" brewed drinks (honey ale, rasberry ick) detract from the
 place along with the horrid yuppie decor but the beer is fairly
 good.  Old Columbia has never failed to disappoint but I guess that
 is what happens when you hire the brew master from  a big american
 brewery.

 A good suggestion to real beer drinkers is to try the new Triton Pub
 on the UCSD campus.  Over 20 beers on tap including a number of ones
 rarely seen outside of tasting rooms (seirra nevada's porter and
 ale, bigfoot ale, wicked pete's)  Good atmosphere (college pub) and
 friendly service.  A three star place.

 Erik
Mike C.Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USAApr 14, 1993
 Joel W. wrote:
 >Charles L. wrote:
 >
 >
 >: >Need reccommendations for San Diego!!!
 >
 >: >Please help.
 >
 >     Afghani: the Khyber Pass

 I've never been enthusiastic about Khyber Pass, there is also a new Afghani
 restaurant on 30th south of El Cajon Blvd which I've heard good things about.

 >     Cuban:  You're outta' luck.

 Hmmm...  Is this a slam against Andre's Patio, or don't you know of it?

 >     Seafood: Red Sails Inn (or try the Fish Merchant)

 The Red Sails Inn has always produced sound, but unexciting meals.  If you
 want less expensive, I recommend Point Loma Seafood, for spare-no-expense, I
 recommend George's at the Cove (La Jolla) or Cafe Pacifica (Old Town).

 >     Places not to be after dark: most of downtown, anywhere south of El Cajon Blvd.,

 If you are suggesting avoiding the Gaslamp District after dark, I think you
 need to get out more...

 >     BEST BREAKFAST: D Z Akins (you can also get kosher food here, in case
 >                            that interests you)

 Personnally, I prefer Willy's in Mission Valley over DZ Akins for breakfasts.
 Noone will confuse DZ Akins with a real NYC deli, though it's the closest
 thing we got.

 >     No trip to San Diego is complete without eating Mexican here.

 Actually, I'm pretty ambivalent to Mexican food here in San Diego, at its very
 best (Guadalahara Grill (Old Town) and El Tecolote (Mission Valley)), it is
 just slightly better than average.

 >     Best fish tacos/burritos: Los Tres Amigos

 Fins in Mira Mesa is quite good also, I'm not as impressed with Rubio's.

 >     As far as Mexican dinners, put ten San Diegans in a room and you get
 >ten different answers. One possibility: Casa Maria (but ask around when you
 >get here)

 I could probably come up with ten just on my own...  How about Salazar's on
 Market near 15th or Porkyland?  (These are both in questionable areas to go
 after dark).

 >     n.b. Spanish food is not Mexican...
 >
 >     Best Spanish: Berta's or La Gran Tapa (a tie)

 Sigh, Berta's is Latin American, not Spanish.  It is damn good though.  La
 Gran Tapas has just changed ownership, whether it's as good as it used to be
 is up in the air.  For Spanish Tapas, I prefer Ole Madrid anyway, which has a
 younger and livelier crowd than La Gran Tapas ever had.

 >     Best barbeque: Clay's Texas Pit Barbeque

 Is Clay's still open???  I thought they had shut down.  For inexpensive BBQ,
 I like Real Texas Barbeque (Miramar Road) or Backyard BBQ (30th near Adams).

 >     Most romantic: Highly debatable. Call it Peohe's

 The Sky Room at La Valencia is several orders of magnitude more romantic than
 Peohe's.

 >     Best Italian: Etna (?)

 I assume you mean Mt. Etna on El Cajon Blvd.  This is a decent choice for dirt
 cheap Italian.  There are so many upscale Italian restaurants that have opened
 up in the last few years, that there is a bumper sticker going around which
 says: "Honk if you don't own an Italian Restaurant".  A few that are worth
 mentioning are:  La Strada (Gaslamp), Osteria Pannevino (Gaslamp) and Piatti
 (La Jolla Shores).

 Mike Christensen
Steve L.University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging ResourceApr 14, 1993
 Mike C. wrote:
 >Joel W. wrote:
 >>     Best barbeque: Clay's Texas Pit Barbeque
 >
 >Is Clay's still open???  I thought they had shut down.  For inexpensive BBQ,
 >I like Real Texas Barbeque (Miramar Road) or Backyard BBQ (30th near Adams).

 Real Texas is pretty good.... I find it amusing that it's owned and
 operated by Russian immigrants.

                                           spl
Mike C.Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USAApr 15, 1993
 Joel W. wrote:
 >
 >
 >Someone wrote:
 >Joel W. wrote:
 >: >     Places not to be after dark: most of downtown, anywhere south of El Cajon Blvd.,
 >
 >: If you are suggesting avoiding the Gaslamp District after dark, I think you
 >: need to get out more...
 >
 >     No, I'm suggesting that the overrated Gaslamp District is not "most of
 >downtown" - an assertion with which I'm still comfortable. Ned, an Australian
 >geophysicist I know (are you reading this, Ned? Thedeen!), spent a night
 >in downtown San Diego. His description was not complimentary, and I think
 >aptly summed it up. Every time I'm in downtown San Diego, I'm inclined to
 >agree. Do you think it would be convenient for a tourist to get to? Do you think
 >it would be convenient for a tourist to leave? Do you think it's worth it?
 >     But then, you didn't address these things. Your opinion had something to
 >do with how much I get out. Thanks for that, though - I'll make a note of it.

 Your comment suggested that the Gaslamp district was dangerous after dark.
 If you meant it was "yuppified" or "overpriced" or "over-rated" or there are
 too many street-people hanging around, those are different issues.  There are
 certainly areas of downtown which are worth avoiding after dark.

 >: >     No trip to San Diego is complete without eating Mexican here.
 >
 >: Actually, I'm pretty ambivalent to Mexican food here in San Diego, at its very
 >: best (Guadalahara Grill (Old Town) and El Tecolote (Mission Valley)), it is
 >: just slightly better than average.
 >
 >     Now, I found this amusing. What's "average"? For the country? Then you are
 >misinformed. For the entire border? That's apples and oranges. Tex-Mex (eg) is
 >different, not better or worse.
 >
 >     I guess the million or so Mexican nationals who live and/or work here can't
 >get good Mexican food here?
 >
 >     "Average?"

 The typical places that are recommended to tourists are indeed "average".
 All the Mexican places in Old Town and Eden Gardens are IMHO, average.
 Even the two places I recommended: Guadalahara Grill (Old Town - order the
 regional specialties, not from the Gringo menu) and El Tecolote are just
 "above average" not great.  If you want to go where some of those "Million or
 so Mexican nationals eat", I suggest Salazar's on Market and about 15th or
 Porkyland.  The price performance of those places is good.  Again, these are
 places I wouldn't go after dark...

 >
 >: >     n.b. Spanish food is not Mexican...
 >: >
 >: >     Best Spanish: Berta's or La Gran Tapa (a tie)
 >
 >: Sigh, Berta's is Latin American, not Spanish.  It is damn good though.  La
 >
 >     Oops. (Thanks for the sigh; it reminds me how difficult it is for you
 >to get along with us inferiors. I'm just SICK about this.)

 Well, to make a point that you know the difference between Mexican and Spanish,
 and then call a Latin American restaurant Spanish does make one look foolish.
 I appologize for making a point of it.

 >
 >: >     Most romantic: Highly debatable. Call it Peohe's
 >
 >: The Sky Room at La Valencia is several orders of magnitude more romantic than
 >: Peohe's.
 >
 >     And I'll be there, too - right after I win the lottery.
 >BTW, La Valencia is a few tens of meters from the Rose Canyon Fault.
 >     ("Several orders of magnitude?" What are the numbers and units?)

 Peohe's ain't cheap either, Dinner for two with a conservative wine choice
 runs about $80-$100.  Dinner for two with a conservative wine choice at The
 Sky Room runs about $100-$120.

 >     Apparently, this guys been to every place to eat in San Diego except my
 >refriferator. Why did he just wait for me to post, and then bag on it?

 Hmmm...  No, there are many places I admit to not eating at in San Diego,
 including your refrigerator.  Typically, when someone makes a request
 for restaurant recommendations in San Diego, I email them, rather than
 cluttering up r.f.r.  Perhaps the tone in your other post bagging someone
 else's opinions influenced my post.  Also, I frequently post to sdnet.eats,
 and I am redirecting followups there, and appologize to everyone else on r.f.r
 for not doing that on my first post.

 Mike Christensen
AnonymousUniversity of ToledoOct 29, 1994
 In Article
 P. F. wrote:
 >can anyone recommend restaurants in san diego?

 Anthony's Fish Grotto

 is about the best sea food restaurant ever. other than that, i would
 say that San Diego has really slim pickings in the restaurant dept.

 don wedding
 toledo, ohio
Mike C.Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USAOct 31, 1994
 Someone wrote:
 >In Article
 >P. F. wrote:
 >>can anyone recommend restaurants in san diego?
 >
 >Anthony's Fish Grotto
 >
 >is about the best sea food restaurant ever. other than that, i would
 >say that San Diego has really slim pickings in the restaurant dept.

 Very funny...  It's a joke, right?

 Seriously, for nearly twenty years I've thought Anthony's was the most over-
 rated seafood restaurant chain in San Diego, even, and especially, the Star of
 the Sea Room.  Cafe Pacifica, Pacifica Del Mar, George's at the Cove, Peohe's
 and Point Loma Seafoods (just to name a few) put Anthony's to shame...

 Mike
Dilip G.Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, CAOct 31, 1994
 S.D. does have some pretty good places:

 Down in the gaslamp (downtown on/near 5th): Fio's, Johnny 801, and Sfuzzi (a little more upscale).
 Also, up in Pacific Beach (Garnet Ave): Karinya (Thai), Ichiban's (Japanese), Blue Nile (Ethiopian), and a host of others.  Coronado has Peohe's, Miguel's, and the Charthouse.

 And don't forget the microbreweries (Columbia Street Brewery and Brewski's - good food and beer).

 Anyway, there are a boatload of them.  I wish you good eats!

 LT Dilip B. Ghate, USN                   ------
 [email removed]                  Dept of Electrical and Comp Engineering
                                                     Naval Postgraduate School
                                                     Monterey, CA 93940
Mike C.Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USANov 3, 1994
 Someone wrote:

 >Anthony's Fish Grotto -- Best seafood i ever ate! end of the discussion.
 >                         *FAMOUS* in southern california and not overly
 >                         expensive as far as famous sea food places go.

 Hardly the end of the discussion...  Anthony's is well known, has been around
 a long time, and at one time MAY have been the best fish place(s) in San Diego
 (but that was before my time...).  It still gets lots of votes for "Best
 Seafood in San Diego" from the various reader polls in local newspapers and
 magazines.  But then, The Olive Garden usually wins these polls for "Best
 Italian Restaurant", so, we know how good these polls are as indicators of
 quality.

 For my money, I would rather go to any of: Cafe Pacifica, Pacifica Del Mar,
 George's at the Cove (and George's Patio), Tutto Mare, Point Loma Seafoods,
 Bonzai Cantina or Quiig's.  For that matter, even the Rusty Pelican, the Salmon
 House or The Fish Market (Del Mar location only) blow the socks off Anthony's.
 Heck, I'd rather go to Fin's, Bahia or even Rubio's (all fish-taco places...)

 >>Italian
 >>
 >>Jack and Guilio's in old twon
 >
 >This is one rule i'd like to interject...beware of old town. that's
 >what everybody in S.D. told me when i went looking for fine food. all
 >i found was a bunch of over rated / expensive places designed to trap
 >tourists.

 Except for Berta's, Cafe Pacifica and the Guadalahara Grill's regional
 specialty page (don't order from the Gringo menu!).  If forced to go to Gringo
 Mexican, I'll usually go to La Pinata or Casa de Bandini, but it's without
 enthusiasm.

 >i ate at several places in old town, and was never impressed with any
 >of them. i might have eaten at Jack and Guilio's...i'm not sure. but
 >i do know that nothing in old town ever impressed me.

 Jack and Julio's is the re-instanciation of Julio's in PB, a very old-time
 upscale Italian place.  I haven't been to Jack and Julio's, but Julio's had
 become quite disappointing the last couple of times I had gone there.  Perhaps
 they've been re-energized with their new location, but I wouldn't hold my
 breath.  There are so many very good to excellent Italian restaurants in San
 Diego now that I wouldn't waste my time or money.  My short list of Italian
 restaurants is:  Trattoria Acqua, La Strada, Tutto Mare, Piatti, Busalacchi's,
 Salvatore's, Primavera, Old Venice, Vesuvio Gourmet, Osteria Panevino,
 Sorentino's.

 >>The Fish Market in Del Mar (not greasy like anthony's)
 >>
 >
 >NOW THIS I DO DISAGREE WITH!!!!
 >
 >Anthony's food is *** NOT *** greasy !!!!!!! It is truly an enjoyable
 >experience. highly recommended.

 It probably depends on how the fish is prepared.  In my experience, it's best
 to stick to very simple grilled prepations at all the Anthony's locations
 (including the Star of the Sea Room...).  You most definitely CAN get greasy
 fish at Anthony's, but Anthony's is (just) OK if you stick to simple, grilled
 preparations.

 >Oh ya, i just thought of a place you might want to eat at in San Diego
 >for historic reaons. There is a restarant there where the MARGARITA (sp?)
 >was invented. Can't recall the name, i'll look it up when i get home
 >and post it.

 The San Diego Reader did an interesting article on the "Inventor of the
 Margarita" and explored the various myths surrounding it.  The bottom line was
 that there was no indisputable "Creator".  The reporter did find that
 the Margarita was being served in the late-30's, early-40's at Husong's Cantina
 in Ensenada.  The Hussong's bartender of that era that was interviewed for the
 story claimed the drink was widely known in that time frame, but that he didn't
 claim he invented it, nor did anyone at Husong's.  He did believe that it was
 named after a Margarita Guzman, who lived on the Guzman ranch in the area of
 Ensenada.  But, who knows...

 Mike
AnonymousUniversity of ToledoNov 4, 1994Subject: Re: san diego + Wheel Inn Rest.
 In Article
 Mike C. wrote:
 >Someone wrote:
 >
 >>Anthony's Fish Grotto -- Best seafood i ever ate! end of the discussion.
 >>                         *FAMOUS* in southern california and not overly
 >>                         expensive as far as famous sea food places go.
 >
 >Hardly the end of the discussion...  Anthony's is well known, has been around
 >a long time, and at one time MAY have been the best fish place(s) in San Diego
 >(but that was before my time...).  It still gets lots of votes for "Best
 >Seafood in San Diego" from the various reader polls in local newspapers and
 >magazines.  But then, The Olive Garden usually wins these polls for "Best
 >Italian Restaurant", so, we know how good these polls are as indicators of
 >quality.
 >
 >For my money, I would rather go to any of: Cafe Pacifica, Pacifica Del Mar,
 >George's at the Cove (and George's Patio), Tutto Mare, Point Loma Seafoods,
 >Bonzai Cantina or Quiig's.  For that matter, even the Rusty Pelican, the Salmon
 >House or The Fish Market (Del Mar location only) blow the socks off Anthony's.
 >Heck, I'd rather go to Fin's, Bahia or even Rubio's (all fish-taco places...)
 >

 this is an interesting observation. i noticed from the time that i lived
 in san diego to the time i left that folks native to san diego or had
 lived there a long time shared your feeling that it was over rated.

 now all folks i knew who either occasionally lived in san diego or had
 lived there a few years or less LOVED it.

 so i have a theory that Anthony's has really good sea food, but there are
 better places that aren't as widely known...except to the people who
 have lived there a long time.

 the reason that Anthony's is probably raved about by tourists/short
 timers is because it's the only sea food place we tried and it's so
 much better than anything else we've ever encountered in the sea food
 department.

 so, i can't argue if anthony's is the best or not...if you folks have
 tried anthony's plus the others and think it's not the BEST then i'll
 take your word for it.

 so although you might be right that Anthony's is no longer the BEST sea
 food place...it is still a great dining experience and my mouth still
 waters when i think of how good it is. i would still recommend that
 any visitors to S.D. stop in and eat there just to say you did it...
 you won't be sorry!!!!

 **********************************************

 another place that i just thought of......

 The Wheel Inn Restaurant
 ========================

 this is a restarant up in, i think, Cabazon California. It's about
 2 1/2 miles north east of S.D. on the drive up to Yuca Valley.

 this place is an absolute *MUST* !!!!  ok, here's the experience.
 you're driving along the highway and all of a sudden you see some
 big plastic dinosaurs (they may look familiar as you'll soon find out).
 these dinosars are in the middle of nowhere in the dessert. so you stop
 your car to see what's going on and realize it's actually a truck-stop
 restarant.  it turns out that this little truck stop is where they filmed
 a scene from the movie "Pee Wee Herman's Big Adventure".

 So on the way into the restarant, there are a bunch of homeless bums
 who hit you up for money at this truck stop. so you go inside and you
 see a cheezy touristy trap store that sells dinosaur and indian
 paraphanalia.

 they also sell, get this, velvet pictures of elvis presely and indian
 jewlry!

 when you order at this truck stop dive...get the T-REX BURGER!!! it's
 three patties of some of the greasiest damn meat you've ever soon and
 there's melted cheese all over it!  this thing has so much grease that
 you've shot your fat limit for about two weeks....and your colesteral
 count is going to go through the ceiling by just ordering it! as you
 take a bite of this hamburger, grease pours out of it at an unbelievable
 rate....it's almost frightening.  when you bite into this thing, you
 won't believe that it's possible for anything to taste so good. god,
 i'd shoot my grandmother for one of those things! my that thing is
 tastey! get an order of french fries (greasy beyond belief) and a
 milk shake to chase it down and let me tell ya this....you're living
 right!

 i don't think you should eat here often as there's probably a surgeon
 general's warning against it....but man it's good!

 so let's recap:

 1) large plastic dinosaurs to draw you into a truck stop restaraunt.
 2) homeless hitting you up for money as you walk in
 3) touristy trap shop which will sell you stuff you'll never need at
    ridiculous prices
 4) velvet pictures of elvis presley and indian jewlry for sale
 5) greasy/incredibly delicious triple decker cheeseburgers to die for

 and as an added bonus, this place was even in a really bad movie (well,
 i liked it....)!

 if this place doesn't DEFINE what america is all about, then i don't
 know what does!  do you think you'd ever find a place like this in
 russia???????

 hell no!   ivan's been trying to steal the plans for a place like this
 for 20 years, and here we have one right in our own back yards!

 this is a truly unique american dining experience which cannot be
 duplicated!
AnonymousAmerica Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)Nov 7, 1994
 In Article
 P. F. wrote:
 >can anyone recommend restaurants in san diego?

 For great fine dining, check out El Bizcocho in Rancho Bernardo. $$$

 Paul
 [email removed]
Glenn T.HookUp Communication Corporation, Waterloo, Ontario, CANADANov 29, 1994
 P. F. wrote:
 >From: [email removed] (P. Fitting)
 >Subject: san diego
 >Date: 29 Nov 1994 17:04:34 GMT
 >Summary: one great restaurant

 >I need a recommendation for one great restaurant in SD (over the
 >holidays)--French/italian/nouvelle--money not really a problem. My SD
 >sister-in-law has suggested Dodson's or Salavatore's. All comments
 >appreciated--thanks. Peter Fitting

 The Pacifica Grill, on Kettner (downtown).  Try the sashimi tuna - spectacular!

 Glenn Thomson                        [email removed]
Gerard N.TGV, Incorporated [engineering]Nov 30, 1994
 P. F. wrote:

 >I need a recommendation for one great restaurant in SD (over the
 >holidays)--French/italian/nouvelle--money not really a problem. My SD
 >sister-in-law has suggested Dodson's or Salavatore's. All comments
 >appreciated--thanks. Peter Fitting

 California Cuisine:

 George's at the Cove, 1250 Prospect St.  La Jolla.  +1 619 454 4244
 (I should mention that the Executive Chef at George's, Scott Meskan, is
  a good friend and lives across the street.  Vicky and I are regulars there).

 Pacifica Del Mar, 1555 Camino Del Mar (atop the Del Mar Plaza @ 15th),
 +1 619 792 0476.

 Italian:

 Fio's, 801 5th Avenue (downtown San Diego), +1 619 234 3467.

 Osteria Panevino, 722 5th Avenue, +1 619 595 7959 (or their sister
 restaurant in Carlsbad at Carlsbad Blvd and Pio Pico).

 French/Continental:

 The WineSellar & Brasserie, 9550 Waples St, Suite 115, +1 619 450 9557.

 Cindy Black's, 5721 La Jolla Blvd, +1 619 456 6299.

 Mille Fleurs, Paseo Delicias (downtown Rancho Santa Fe) +1 619 756 3085.

 Gerard K. Newman | TGV, Inc.  101 Cooper St. | +1 408 457 5200 (voice)
 [email removed]      | Santa Cruz, CA 95060-4526 | +1 408 457 5205 (fax)
Mike C.Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USADec 1, 1994
 Glenn T. wrote:
 >P. F. wrote:
 >>From: [email removed] (P. Fitting)
 >>Subject: san diego
 >>Date: 29 Nov 1994 17:04:34 GMT
 >>Summary: one great restaurant
 >
 >>I need a recommendation for one great restaurant in SD (over the
 >>holidays)--French/italian/nouvelle--money not really a problem. My SD
 >>sister-in-law has suggested Dodson's or Salavatore's. All comments
 >>appreciated--thanks. Peter Fitting

 Both Dobson's and Salvatore's are good suggestions, but not particularly
 exciting (I prefer Salvatore's over Dobson's).  If money is truly not an
 issue, I'd suggest Marius (Meridian Hotel in Coronado), Mille Fleurs (Rancho
 Santa Fe) or El Bizcocho (Rancho Bernardo Inn), expect to pay about $50/person
 w/o wine.  The closest of these to downtown SD is Marius, the other two are
 about twenty miles from downtown SD.

 >The Pacifica Grill, on Kettner (downtown).  Try the sashimi tuna - spectacular!

 Good suggestion, except that Pacifica Grill just closed  :-(
 You can still try Cafe Pacifica and Pacifica Del Mar, though.  Anyway,
 for seafood, I think George's at the Cove is a (small) step up from these.

 Mike
Mike C.Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USAApr 17, 1995
 Barry B. wrote:
 >Someone wrote:
 >: My husband and I will be in SD 22-29 Apr at the Sheraton Island.  Can
 >: anyone suggest nearby dining, both fancy and everyday?  Also, any
 >: suggestions for light lunches?  Waiting to hear from you, thanks ...
 >: Jeff and Linda Wilson, Calgary, Alberta, Canada eh!
 >
 >I love, love, love Casa de Pico in Old Town.  It's everyday Mexican and
 >it's in the corner of Old Town called the Bazaar del Mundo (Old Town is a
 >state park; everyone knows where it is).  They have the biggest
 >Margaritas you've ever seen (El "Grande").  Be prepared to wait on line
 >for a while.  It's worth the wait.

 Blech.  I hate, hate, hate Casa de Pico in Old Town.  Touristy, over-priced,
 mediocre.  Why there are long lines to get into this place is beyond my
 comprehension.  The only reason ever to have gone there is because it had
 patio dining before outside dining became widely available.

 >Nothing is as it seems.

 Amen, brother.

 Mike
Matt H.QUALCOMM, Incorporated; San Diego, CA, USAApr 19, 1995
 >Someone wrote:
 >: My husband and I will be in SD 22-29 Apr at the Sheraton Island.  Can
 >: anyone suggest nearby dining, both fancy and everyday?  Also, any
 >: suggestions for light lunches?  Waiting to hear from you, thanks ...
 >: Jeff and Linda Wilson, Calgary, Alberta, Canada eh!

 Not sure where the Sheraton Island is, but some restaurant recommendations:

 Probably my favorite find so far is Thee Bungalow, in Point
 Loma. Absolutely wonderful french/continental food. Good wine prices
 as well. In the $60 for two range. Great soups and desserts, wonderful
 fresh seafood dishes.

 If you are a beer lover, there are several good brewpubs which also
 have decent cheap food - my favorites are the Pacific Beach Brewpub
 and the Solana Beach Pizza Port.

 For simple, excellently prepared seafood at a somewhat reasonable
 price in a fairly casual setting, try the Fish Market (downtown or
 Solana Beach).

 Hope this helps!
                                           Matt
Steve L.University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging ResourceApr 20, 1995
 Matt H. wrote:
 >
 >>Someone wrote:
 >>: My husband and I will be in SD 22-29 Apr at the Sheraton Island. ...
 >
 >Not sure where the Sheraton Island is, but some restaurant recommendations:

 Probably the Shelter Island Sheraton.

 >If you are a beer lover, there are several good brewpubs which also
 >have decent cheap food - my favorites are the Pacific Beach Brewpub
 >and the Solana Beach Pizza Port.

 Pacific Beach Brew House is one of my favorites, too.  Some of their
 specialty brews I can do without (the jalapen~o beer is a waste of
 both malt and jalapen~os, IMHO), but their "regular" brews are quite
 tasty.  They were pouring a Belgian style ale the last time I was
 there and it was very good (almost *too* good -- the alcohol content
 is pretty high and one has to be careful, lest you run afoul of the
 California Highway Patrol).  The stout is a little thin for my liking
 but I wouldn't pour it down the sink.

 The Pizza Port is fun -- lots of "surfer dudes" and "dudesses" with
 surf videos running pretty much constantly.  Quite noisy, so don't
 expect to have any intimate conversations.  The beers tend to be
 substantially overhopped (though some folks disagree with me on this
 point -- I'm a "hophead" but not to *that* extent).  The pizza is a
 bit better than average.

 Another brewpub that I enjoy is the La Jolla Brewing Company (on Faye
 Street, if memory serves).  Less adventuresome in the recipes but well
 crafted beers.  Average to good pub food.

 >For simple, excellently prepared seafood at a somewhat reasonable
 >price in a fairly casual setting, try the Fish Market (downtown or
 >Solana Beach).

 I'm not a big fan of the downtown location of the Fish Market.  My
 experience, backed up by similar reports by others, is that the
 service is not all that good and the preparation of the meals is only
 average.  There is an upstairs dining room that, I'm told, is more
 upmarket.  I have no experience with it.  The Solana Beach/Del Mar
 location is much better, in my opinion.  Both FMs tend to be packed,
 so I'd urge making reservations if you want to get a table in a finite
 amount of time.

 In La Jolla you might look at George's at the Cove.  They have three
 levels -- a downstairs fancy dining room, a bar which also serves
 food, and the Terrace, which is quite informal.  The Terrace is a good
 place for lunch.  They recently got favorably written up in the New
 York Times, so you probably wish to make reservations.  [In the spirit
 of full disclosure, my SO does occasional graphic arts work for
 George's and the Executive Chef is an acquaintence, so I may be
 biased.  However, I was a customer of George's before I knew the
 chef.]

 Other recommendations in no particular order:

 Cafe Japengo in La Jolla (near UCSD).  "Nouvelle Pacific Rim."
 Aesop's Tables in University City.  Greek.
 La Gran Tapa, downtown.  Spanish.
 Osteria Panevino, downtown (Gaslamp District).  Italian.
 Fio's, downtown (Gaslamp District).  Italian (formal and a little pricy).

 Those are places that pop to mind.

                                           spl
Roger N.NetcomApr 21, 1995
 Mike C. wrote:
 >
 >In article  [email removed] (Barry
 E. B. writes:
 >>Someone wrote:
 >>: My husband and I will be in SD 22-29 Apr at the Sheraton Island.
 Can
 >>: anyone suggest nearby dining, both fancy and everyday?  Also, any
 >>: suggestions for light lunches?  Waiting to hear from you, thanks
 ..
 >>: Jeff and Linda Wilson, Calgary, Alberta, Canada eh!
 >>
 >>I love, love, love Casa de Pico in Old Town.  It's everyday Mexican
 and
 >>it's in the corner of Old Town called the Bazaar del Mundo (Old Town
 is a
 >>state park; everyone knows where it is).  They have the biggest
 >>Margaritas you've ever seen (El "Grande").  Be prepared to wait on
 line
 >>for a while.  It's worth the wait.
 >
 >Blech.  I hate, hate, hate Casa de Pico in Old Town.  Touristy,
 over-priced,
 >mediocre.  Why there are long lines to get into this place is beyond
 my
 >comprehension.  The only reason ever to have gone there is because it
 had
 >patio dining before outside dining became widely available.
 >
 >>Nothing is as it seems.
 >
 >Amen, brother.
 >
 >Mike

 I agree with Mike.  My favorite SD restaurant is the Kiva Grill in La
 Jolla.  Great Southwestern food in a nice atmosphere.  Can get loud
 on Friday evenings.  Entrees around $10.  Tortillas made in house.Yum!

 Janet
Gerard N.TGV, Incorporated [engineering]Jul 23, 1995
 Marc G. wrote:

 >I am looking for high quality and innovative restaurants in downtown San
 >Diego as well as Coronado and LaJolla. I am most interested in Seafood,
 >Mexican and other creative cooking (except Italian)

 Well, I can recommend George's at the Cove, 1250 Prospsect St, La Jolla
 +1 619 454 4244 -- creative California cuisine, and the best fish in town.
 I should mention that the chef/owner there, Scott Meskan, is a good friend
 and neighbor.

 Another of my favorites is Pacifica Del Mar, 1555 Camino Del Mar (atop the
 Del Mar Plaza at 15th street), +1 619 792 0476.  Nouvelle Californian
 cuisine as well.

 For creative Nouvelle Southwestern cuisine, head to Cilantros, 3702
 Via de la Valle, Del Mar, +1 619 259 8777 (between Del Mar and Rancho
 Santa Fe on Via de la Valle).

 Just had dinner last night at Alize, 777 Front Street, atop the Paladion
 shopping center, +1 619 234 0411.  French Caribbean.  Having just returned
 from the French West Indies a week ago I have to say that this place is
 pretty close to spot on.

 Cheers,
TCMacAmerica Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)Jul 28, 1995
 In addition to what's been said, I would heartily recommend the Winesellar
 & Brasserie. It's a little out of the way in the Sorrento Mesa area in a
 light industrial area, but chef Douglas Organ is, for my money, one of the
 finest chefs in So. Calif. Basically California-French cusine.
 He's just opened a new place in mid-town at 5th & Laural called
 Laural--French Mediterranean. Haven't been there yet, though.
Mike C.Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USAOct 26, 1995
 Daniel S. wrote:
 >You must eat at one of the many Rubio's in San Diego.  Have the fish tacos --
 >they are the definitive San Diego food  (I'm not sure if I am proud or ashamed
 >of that fact)   If you've had fish tacos somewhere else, it doesn't count --
 >it's like saying you had TexMex in Chicago or Chicago style pizza in Austin.

 Personally, I think that Fins is much better than Rubio's.  Rubio's new
 shrimp items are pathetic when compared to Fins.  To say that either Rubio's
 or Fins is "definitive San Diego food" is pretty funny, considering that
 they are really just imitating fish taco shacks along the beach in Baja.
 By sheer number of restaurants, I'd have to say that the "definitive"
 San Diego food is Italian.  I'm still looking for that bumper sticker that
 says:  "Honk if you DON'T own an Italian Restaurant".  ;-)

 Mike
Matt H.QUALCOMM, Incorporated; San Diego, CA, USAJan 9, 1996
 Jim E. wrote:
 >Greetings All,
 >Will be in San Diego in a few weeks. Any recommendations would be
 >appreciated.

 What kind of food are you looking for?

 A few suggestions:

 Japanese food / sushi: Sushi Ohta in Pacific Beach. Call for
 reservations in advance, as it gets REALLY busy. Absolutely wonderful
 sushi.

 Pizza and brewpub beer: the Pizza Port in Solana Beach. GREAT pizza,
 and the best beer in town.

 Country french/california seafood: Thee Bungalow in Ocean Beach or the
 Brasserie and WineSellar in Mira Mesa. Both kind of pricey, absolutely
 WONDERFUL food, and both have an amazing wine list. Great places to go
 for special occasions, etc.

                                                 Matt
Sheri M.Radical Solutions, Inc.Jan 10, 1996
 >Greetings All,
 >
 >Will be in San Diego in a few weeks. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
 >Please post or E-Mail.

 My husband and I put up a web site just for fun on some of our favorite
 restaurants, bars and breweries in San Diego. It isn't totally complete
 yet because we just moved out here in July but it does have some suggestions.
 The address is:  http://www.rsol.com/SanDiego

 If you don't have a web browser or access, let me know an I will send the
 text. Hope it helps and if you come up with any more ideas after you go,
 let me know so that I can check them out too.

 Sheri Menelli
CraigThe LoopJan 11, 1996
 Matt H. wrote:

 >Jim E. wrote:
 >>Greetings All,
 >>Will be in San Diego in a few weeks. Any recommendations would be
 >>appreciated.

 >What kind of food are you looking for?

 >A few suggestions:

 >Japanese food / sushi: Sushi Ohta in Pacific Beach. Call for
 >reservations in advance, as it gets REALLY busy. Absolutely wonderful
 >sushi.

 >Pizza and brewpub beer: the Pizza Port in Solana Beach. GREAT pizza,
 >and the best beer in town.

 >Country french/california seafood: Thee Bungalow in Ocean Beach or the
 >Brasserie and WineSellar in Mira Mesa. Both kind of pricey, absolutely
 >WONDERFUL food, and both have an amazing wine list. Great places to go
 >for special occasions, etc.

 >                                               Matt

 Depends where you are going to be, how much you want to spend, and
 what type of food.

 Pricey, and costly near downtown San Deigo is Anthonys Star of Sea.
 Less costly in that area is Anthony's fish grotto.
 The Star of Sea is suit and tie, and reservations weeks in advance.

 The fish grotto is informal, but no reservations, but you will have to
 wait!
                         Craig
Mike C.Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USAJan 12, 1996
 Craig wrote:
 >Depends where you are going to be, how much you want to spend, and
 >what type of food.
 >
 >Pricey, and costly near downtown San Deigo is Anthonys Star of Sea.
 >Less costly in that area is Anthony's fish grotto.
 >The Star of Sea is suit and tie, and reservations weeks in advance.
 >
 >The fish grotto is informal, but no reservations, but you will have to
 >wait!

 I can't say I get excited about going to any Anthony's, be it the Star of the
 Sea Room or any of the lesser places.  There are lots of places that offer
 better performance or price/performance than any Anthony's.  Places I'd suggest
 for upscale are:  George's at the Cove, Pacifica Del Mar, Cafe Pacifica,
 Peohe's.  For midrange: Bonzai Cantina, Quiig's, Sally's, Fish Market (Del Mar
 only).  For low-end:  Point Loma Seafoods.

 Mike
Mehmet G.National UniversityJan 13, 1996
 Hi,

 An excellent restaurant called Rainwater's. It is in San Diego
 Downtown, excellent steaks a little expensive. Huge wine list
 My favorite place.
 Address 1202 Kettner Blv San Diego

 Regards
 Mehmet Guzeldere
 [email removed]
Phil B.MindSpring Enterprises, Inc.Jan 15, 1996
 Jim E. wrote:

 >Greetings All,

 >Will be in San Diego in a few weeks. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
 >Please post or E-Mail.

 >Thanks in advance,

 >Jim

 >[email removed]

 Have spent two of last five weeks in San Diego (specifically, Coronado and La
 Jolla).  Since you didn't say where in San Diego -- and it's not really a
 small place -- I'll try to spread it around.  Most of these are middle- to
 high- brow in terms of price and quality, so be warned.

 Coronado:
     Primavera Ristorante
     932 Orange Ave.
     619-435-0454
     Good Neopolitan, careful sauces, excellent calamari

 Downtown:
     Laurel
     5th and Laurel (didn't get the actual street address)
     619-239-2222
     Sister restaurant to WineSellar & Brasserie (this is good!)
     Outstanding nouvelle-ish cuisine
     Wonderful wine list and bar (no surprise here)

     Fio's
     801 5th Avenue
     619-234-3467
     Best Italian in San Diego
     Lamb is a house specialty

 North:
     Emerald Chinese Seafood Restaurant
     3709 Convoy Street
     619-565-6888
     Authentic food, great value (read: cheap!)
     Terrific Peking duck too

 La Jolla:
     Trattoria Acqua
     1298 Prospect (next to George's)
     619-454-0709
     Italian-Mediterranean
     Kind of funky preparations, but what I had was quite good
     (special when I went was Mahi Mahi w/ Algerian spices and couscous)

     Cindy Black's
     5721 La Jolla Blvd
     619-456-6299
     Country-style French
     Impeccable food, priced accordingly ($20-30 entrees)

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 Phil Brown | Atlanta, GA, USA
 [email removed]  -or-  [email removed]
 "I was drunk" is a better excuse than "I was stupid".
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Mike C.Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USAJan 16, 1996
 Phil B. wrote:
 >Have spent two of last five weeks in San Diego (specifically, Coronado and La
 >Jolla).  Since you didn't say where in San Diego -- and it's not really a
 >small place -- I'll try to spread it around.  Most of these are middle- to
 >high- brow in terms of price and quality, so be warned.
 >
 >Coronado:
 >    Primavera Ristorante
 >    932 Orange Ave.
 >    619-435-0454
 >    Good Neopolitan, careful sauces, excellent calamari

 Their Grilled Pork Chop is out of this world also.  Their wine list sucks.

 >Downtown:
 >    Laurel
 >    5th and Laurel (didn't get the actual street address)
 >    619-239-2222
 >    Sister restaurant to WineSellar & Brasserie (this is good!)
 >    Outstanding nouvelle-ish cuisine
 >    Wonderful wine list and bar (no surprise here)
 >
 >    Fio's
 >    801 5th Avenue
 >    619-234-3467
 >    Best Italian in San Diego
 >    Lamb is a house specialty
 >
 >North:
 >    Emerald Chinese Seafood Restaurant
 >    3709 Convoy Street
 >    619-565-6888
 >    Authentic food, great value (read: cheap!)
 >    Terrific Peking duck too

 I've NEVER heard Emerald Seafood refered to as cheap!  It's relatively
 expensive for Chinese, but it's worth it.

 >La Jolla:
 >    Trattoria Acqua
 >    1298 Prospect (next to George's)
 >    619-454-0709
 >    Italian-Mediterranean
 >    Kind of funky preparations, but what I had was quite good
 >    (special when I went was Mahi Mahi w/ Algerian spices and couscous)
 >
 >    Cindy Black's
 >    5721 La Jolla Blvd
 >    619-456-6299
 >    Country-style French
 >    Impeccable food, priced accordingly ($20-30 entrees)

 I heartily second all of these restaurants, excellent choices, Phil.

 Mike
Phil B.MindSpring Enterprises, Inc.Jan 17, 1996
 Mike C. wrote:
 >From: [email removed] (Mike Christensen)
 >Subject: Re: San Diego
 >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:07:30 GMT

 >Phil B. wrote:
 >>Have spent two of last five weeks in San Diego (specifically, Coronado and La
 >>Jolla).  Since you didn't say where in San Diego -- and it's not really a
 >>small place -- I'll try to spread it around.  Most of these are middle- to
 >>high- brow in terms of price and quality, so be warned.
 >>
 >>Coronado:
 >>    Primavera Ristorante
 >>    932 Orange Ave.
 >>    619-435-0454
 >>    Good Neopolitan, careful sauces, excellent calamari

 >Their Grilled Pork Chop is out of this world also.  Their wine list sucks.

 I agree -- their wine list definitely needs work.

 >>North:
 >>    Emerald Chinese Seafood Restaurant
 >>    3709 Convoy Street
 >>    619-565-6888
 >>    Authentic food, great value (read: cheap!)
 >>    Terrific Peking duck too

 >I've NEVER heard Emerald Seafood refered to as cheap!  It's relatively
 >expensive for Chinese, but it's worth it.

 You're right about it being expensive for Chinese, but in comparison to the
 other restaurants on my short list...  Even so, very little on the menu is
 more than $15.  I guess my persepctive is being distorted more than I realized
 by expense account living!

 >I heartily second all of these restaurants, excellent choices, Phil.

 >Mike

 And thank you for your support.

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 Phil Brown | Atlanta, GA, USA
 [email removed]  -or-  [email removed]
 "I was drunk" is a better excuse than "I was stupid".
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AnonymousMIT PLASMA FUSION CENTERFeb 27, 1996
 The Hilton on the Bay has a great Sunday brunch with jazz band.
Anita H.Brown UniversityApr 3, 1996
 In article , [email removed] (Dan
 Greenwald) wrote:

 >    I'm headed for San Diego soon for a three day conference at the Hilton.
 > I won't have loads of time but I would sure appreciate hearing what some
 > of your favorite restaurants are.
 > Thanks,
 >
 > D Greenwald
 > [email removed]

 Ham's Lighthouse...a MUST!
Graham T.Compulink Information eXchangeApr 8, 1996
 I have E-Mailed you my notes on

 Cafe Pacifica, 2414 San Diego Av. Old Town, San Diego - 619 291 6666

 Trattoria La Strada, 702 5th Avenue, San Diego - 616 239 3400

 Berta’s, 3928 Twiggs Street, Old Town, San Diego

 Graham
 http://www.compulink.co.uk/~gtigg/
Mila L.Temple UniversityNov 5, 1997
 In article , "Steve Robb"
 Someone wrote:

 > I will be visiting friends in San Diego and would love to treat them to a
 > very nice meal.
 > Any recommendations please. Thanks in advance.
 > --
 > (Remove the HAM before the @ to e-mail)

 Try Cafe Japengo in LaJolla for a very, very nice meal. It specializes in
 Pacific Rim food. Also, for a very casual lunch in a no frills restaurant,
 try Chilengo's, it is the best Mexican food I have ever had. My mouth
 still waters thinking of their huge chicken fajitas burritos...-Mila
C. M.UUNET Benelux (post does not reflect views of UUNET Benelux)Nov 9, 1998
 Top of the Market near the marina.  Nice place for
 seafood.

 Someone wrote:
 >Any recommendations for restaurants in San Diego?
 I'm looking for one nice
 >place to take my staff, but for their taste, the
 food can't be all that
 >unusual.  How about some good places for informal
 meals, as well?  Thank
 >you!
 >
 >
Lee S.MultiMIDI AssociatesMay 23, 1999
 MrsB I. wrote:

 > I'm on my way to San Diego for 5 days.
 > Does anyone have any great restaurants to recommend in that area?
 > Thanks in advance,
 >
 > - Mrs.B

 There are a bunch of great places to eat in SD.  Some favorites are:

 KemoSabe in the Hillcrest district - gorgeous room, cutting edge
 east-meets-west cuisine, super yummy with killer presentations.

 Georges at the Cove in LaJolla - great place for an outdoor lunch

 Jakes - several locations up and down the coast, excellent

 The Fish Market - several locations, excellent fresh seafood, reasonably priced

 For unique fast-food check out Rubio's Fish Tacos...very tasty and SD's own
 (As a Dallas boy myself I had a hard time with the concept of fish tacos,
 but Rubio's became a regular stop, especially the location at the
 stadium.)

 Let us know where you go!
Carol W.May 25, 1999
 I hope i'm not too late on responding

 On Coronado Island--My favs are Miguel's for Mexican, McP's for pub
 fare, and there's a non chain type Italian place that is good.

 On the main island <San Diego>  Jasmine's for Chinese, Odon's Noodle
 House for Japanese <not a type of place for sushi, sashimi or
 teppanyaki--It's a noodle and rice based dishes type of place>, for
 steak try Kenny's or Rainwater on Kettner, for Spanish try Sevilla
 I've been to San Diego 3 times and these are the ones that stick out in
 my memory.

 Carol

 MrsB inTX wrote:

 > I'm on my way to San Diego for 5 days.
 > Does anyone have any great restaurants to recommend in that area?
 > Thanks in advance,
 >
 > - Mrs.B
Gerald S.EarthLink Network, Inc.May 26, 1999
 > On Coronado Island--My favs are Miguel's for Mexican, McP's for pub
 > fare, and there's a non chain type Italian place that is good.

 For Mexican go to Los Dos Pedros on La Jolla Blvd.  It's a hole in
 the wall but the food is excellent and probably the most consistant
 over time and across the entire menu.

 Fish tacos, I'd go to Bahia Taco also on La Jolla Blvd.  Don't
 go to Rubios even though they are the ones that made them
 popular in SD.  They are Domino's Pizza of fish tacos.

 > On the main island <San Diego>  Jasmine's for Chinese,

 Jasmine is excellent for dinners and very good for dim sum
 (There is a place in Santa Monica that makes Jasmine taste
 like McDonald's but Jasmine is still very good).

 I also recommend Cilantro's in Del Mar....very good Southwestern food
 and good service which is extremely rare in SD.

 Someone else mentioned Jakes in Del Mar for seafood.  I've been
 there and the place next door (Nautilus?) a number of times and
 every time left very unimpressed especially for the price.  Only
 reason I go back is because many people take the ambiance
 over the food....personally I go out to eat for the food.

 Gerald Sylvester
Risa B.VerioJun 2, 1999
 MrsB inTX wrote:

 > I'm on my way to San Diego for 5 days.
 > Does anyone have any great restaurants to recommend in that area?
 > Thanks in advance,
 >
 > - Mrs.B

  We went to Coronado this past New Year's and had dinner NY Eve at
 Peohe's.  It was fairly warm out (probably in the low 60's) and they had
 heaters set up outside, and since we'd traveled in the dead of winter
 from DC, I decided we had to eat outside.  The view is spectacular - the
 restaurant sits on the water looking across to San Diego.  The food was
 wonderful - I had halibut with some sort of banana sauce.  It was
 stupendous (although the fish was little dry).  The restaurant inside is
 gorgeous but HUGE and I just wanted a quiet dinner on New Years.  It was
 very memorable and not only for the food - I was *really* cold but
 wouldn't go inside - I didn't fly 3000 miles to stay inside on New Years
 - I could do that in DC!  Have fun!

 risa
Lee S.GearHo ProductionsMay 20, 2001
 Well, my suggestion doesn't fit any of the listed categories, but it is
 certainly in one of the better neighborhoods with specialty shops!

 I was blown away by the place...first time in a loooong time that I was
 flustered by a menu.

 Tamarindo, in La Jolla.  Run by the guy who started the Sammy's Woodfired
 Pizza chain.  Outstanding Nuevo Latino in a gorgeous room, nice patio.

 A selection of tapas, salads and entrees with too many yummy sounding
 things things on the menu to even try to mention here. My lamb picadillo
 chile rellenos in cilantro cream sauce were mighty tasty and my mom's
 smoked salmon tostada was the best take on that dish I've yet to
 experience.

 Highly recommended...

 In article , "Dick Dillon"
 Someone wrote:

 > looking for suggestions for San Diego dining.
 >
 > Where are/is the best......
 >
 > Sushi
 > Indian
 > PotStickers
 > CoffeeHouse
 >
 > Neighborhood with specialty shops
 >
 > Thanks for any feedback, I'll be visiting soon
 > --
 > "True compassion is ruthless"

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JbMay 26, 2001
 Sushi - Sushi Ota in Mission Bay or Taka in the Gaslamp
 Indian - Bombay in Hillcrest or Star of India in the gaslamp
 Haven't had potstikers in awhile but dim sum at Jasmine is always good.
 As for coffee houses, for a feel of the North County beach vibe, I love
 Pannikin in Encinitas on PCH. It's an old train station, relaxed, with most
 people showing up in shorts and slippers.
  While up in that area, you might want to check out Pipes, a breakfast shop
 with monster breakfast burritos (or Konos in Pacific Beach with basically
 the same menu. Konos is right above the beach so you can clog those arteries
 while lowering your blood pressure enjoying the scenery.) These two places
 are definitely "san diego" places, very casual, beachy. I always take
 visitors to Konos to get that beachy feel.

 Dick D. wrote:
 >
 > looking for suggestions for San Diego dining.
 >
 > Where are/is the best......
 >
 > Sushi
 > Indian
 > PotStickers
 > CoffeeHouse
 >
 > Neighborhood with specialty shops
 >
 > Thanks for any feedback, I'll be visiting soon
 > --
 > "True compassion is ruthless"
 >
 >
MareCatMay 27, 2001
 If you're going to be in Encinitas, I recommend St. Germaine for
 breakfast/brunch. (It was recently voted Best Brunch by one of the local
 papers.) My in-laws live in Encinitas six months out of the year, and we
 always end up at St. Germaine's for breakfast whenever we go out there to
 visit them!

 Mary

 Jb wrote:
 > Sushi - Sushi Ota in Mission Bay or Taka in the Gaslamp
 > Indian - Bombay in Hillcrest or Star of India in the gaslamp
 > Haven't had potstikers in awhile but dim sum at Jasmine is always good.
 > As for coffee houses, for a feel of the North County beach vibe, I love
 > Pannikin in Encinitas on PCH. It's an old train station, relaxed, with
 most
 > people showing up in shorts and slippers.
 >  While up in that area, you might want to check out Pipes, a breakfast
 shop
 > with monster breakfast burritos (or Konos in Pacific Beach with basically
 > the same menu. Konos is right above the beach so you can clog those
 arteries
 > while lowering your blood pressure enjoying the scenery.) These two places
 > are definitely "san diego" places, very casual, beachy. I always take
 > visitors to Konos to get that beachy feel.
 >
 > Dick D. wrote:
 > >
 > > looking for suggestions for San Diego dining.
 > >
 > > Where are/is the best......
 > >
 > > Sushi
 > > Indian
 > > PotStickers
 > > CoffeeHouse
 > >
 > > Neighborhood with specialty shops
 > >
 > > Thanks for any feedback, I'll be visiting soon
 > > --
 > > "True compassion is ruthless"
 > >
 > >
 >
 >
Jimmy G.Cox CommunicationsSep 28, 2004
 Great Hong-Kong Chinese at both "Jasmine" and "Emerald" on Convoy Blvd.

 The best hamburger & Greek chicken is at Western Steakburger on University
 in North Park.  Good, cheap eats.

 The only real deli's in town are DZ Akins in La Mesa, and Herschel's in
 Encinitas.  Milton's in Del Mar is very good, too.

 Have lived here for over 25 years, & STILL struggle to offer good
 suggestions to anybody who asks.  LOTS of mediocrity prevails.   By all
 means, avoid the Gaslamp district, Downtown for anything but lunch & a nice
 walk.
Dan W.Road RunnerSep 29, 2004
 Anita N. wrote:
 >Any "can't miss" restaurants from a diner to Five Star?
 >
 >
 Unique place for breakfast is The Waterfront on Ketner Blvd near Date St.
 Very unique, almost a dive.  Advertises itself as the oldest bar in SD.
 Complete brekfast for $3.50.  Some of the locals were drinking theirs.  My
 wife wanted tea, so the hostess had to steal a bag from one of their regulars
 stash.  Had some good dinners at the resturants in Little Italy area at the
 corner of Date and India.

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BBOct 8, 2004
 http://www.jakesdelmar.com/
 Hob Knob Hill - SD - Breakfast
 Fidel's - Solana Beach - Mexican Lunch or Dinner
 http://www.cafepacifica.com/
 http://www.thefishmarket.com/
 http://www.pizzanova.net/

 Anita N. wrote:
 > Any "can't miss" restaurants from a diner to Five Star?
 >
 >
CindyThe L.Oct 13, 2004
 >     Not that American pizza is that Italian, but I tried
 >     several pizza places when I visited.  Not good at all.
 >
 Bronx Pizza.  Husband from Boston-its as close as you can get. www.bronxpizza.com.

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