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Looking for the Best Pizzas in the US

40 posts · Mar 20, 1992 to Apr 2, 1992

James H.Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USAMar 20, 1992
Try Johnny's Pizza in north Louisiana.  They have locations in Monroe, Ruston, and Bosier City.  It's my favorite thin crust pizza and I also worked there in my college days.
Keiji K.UBC Department of Computer ScienceMar 20, 1992
Al Forno/Lucky's, Providence, RI.  This is a fancy restaurant (you don't *need* jacket and tie though, more the California model) that happens to serve wonderful grilled pizza for appetizer.  It's kind of like very thin naan (Indian flat bread) with topping.

Sally's and Pepe's in New Haven, CT.  These are more your regular pizza restaurants, with large brick ovens.  In the Zagat survey to restaurants in NY/NJ/CT suburbs, I think Sally's got a 28 or 29 for food (out of 30).  The white clam pizza is to die for.

Finally, there's John's in Greenwich Village in New York City.  It's good, but the above three are better.
Anyone C.Williams College Center for ComputingMar 20, 1992
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Greetings O. wrote:
>Some friends of mine and I have gotten into a considerable debate about
>the Pizzas in the USA.  We are looking for recommendations for the
>best in any city.  Sorry No Dominoes or Pizza Hut.  When we get replies
>we will post the results.

Armands Pizza is a happy memory froma summer spent in Georgetown.
Sheila W.TRW Data Systems Center, Redondo Beach, CAMar 20, 1992
Greetings O. wrote:
>Some friends of mine and I have gotten into a considerable debate about
>the Pizzas in the USA.  We are looking for recommendations for the
>best in any city.  Sorry No Dominoes or Pizza Hut.  When we get replies
>we will post the results.
>
>This one friend is taking a few years off and plans on traveling across
>the US and he is a pizza fanatic.
>
If you're ever near Kent, Ohio, go to Lettu's Pizza in Brimfield, a (very) small township between Akron and Kent. Lettu's is located on County Highway 18 just west of State Route 43.  Theirs is the best soft, thick crust (but not deep dish) pizza I've had. I can't remember if they deliver; they're so close to my parents' house, we just go pick our pizza up.  They do have a nice eating area (the local cops eat there all the time).

If you're in Southeastern Ohio, specifically in 'downtown' St. Clairsville or Steubenville, go to DiCarlo's.  They have a really good thin-crust pizza, and they load on the cheese right before they give it to you. It's a great 'snack' pizza, as my husband puts it.  (DiCarlo's are close to my in-laws' house, so we frequent them when we're visiting there).

I have no connection to these pizza places other than that of a satisfied customer.

Sheila
Frank M.Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CAMar 20, 1992
Someone wrote:
>Greetings O. wrote:
>>Some friends of mine and I have gotten into a considerable debate about
>>the Pizzas in the USA.  We are looking for recommendations for the
>>best in any city.  Sorry No Dominoes or Pizza Hut.  When we get replies
>>we will post the results.
>>
This is easy!!!!  The best pizza on the face of the earth is at a place called Monicals.  It is located in Champaign/Urbana Illinois. I have been in the Bay area for over ten years now and the only thing that could lure me back to the Illinois winters is the pizza at Monicals.  My wife used to work there when I was attending school and says that (at least at that time) the sauce, and crust was always made from scratch.  After talking about this, I might have to call them up to have one (thin crust) sent out via overnight mail.
                                 Freewheelin' Frank
ELIZABETH M.Project EOS - North Carolina State UniversityMar 20, 1992
....well, i live in raleigh now, and have yet to find pizza that is more than o.k., that isn't at an expensive restaurant. however, i'm from buffalo, and in buffalo there's this place called "The Pizza Plant." They serve "pods," which are similar to calzones, but with sauce inside, stuffed pizza, and regular pizza.  They make their own crusts (regular, whole wheat, garlic...) and you specify the fillings...they have lots of choices, traditional and unique. They also serve salads, soups, sandwiches.  I really miss this place. Oh yeah, they also have one of the largest selections of beers in the area.

...and don't forget dessert!
Laurie B.Digital Equipment CorporationMar 20, 1992
Wood fired pizza with leeks, feta and prosciutto at Pomi's in Cincinnati, OH.  (or any other of their wood-fired varieties)

Stay away from Papa Gino's chain in New England.
Far away.
Rich K.Cardiothoracic Imaging Research CenterMar 20, 1992
Greetings O. wrote:
>Some friends of mine and I have gotten into a considerable debate about
>the Pizzas in the USA.  We are looking for recommendations for the
>best in any city.

If I might be so bold as to quote myself :-)
Larry H.National Library of MedicineMar 20, 1992
The best pizza in the US is Sally's in New Haven, CT, with Pepe's (just down the street) a close second.  Salvatore Consiglio is probably one of the few inventors of the American tomato pie (the italian version is very different) still alive and cooking.  Sal began making pizza in the '30s.  His coal fired brick oven produces perfectly cooked pies; his sauce is sublime.  The white clam is indeed breathtaking (ask for extra garlic).  Also wonderful are broccoli rabe, sausage & onion, and the fresh tomato and oregano pies, which are not on the menu, and available only in season.  They are open 5-10pm Tues-Sun, and there is always, always a line.

I lived a block away from Sally's for many years; it has been very hard for me to pizza anywhere else....

Larry
John W.University of North Carolina at CharlotteMar 21, 1992
Greetings O. wrote:
>Some friends of mine and I have gotten into a considerable debate about
>the Pizzas in the USA.  We are looking for recommendations for the
>best in any city.  Sorry No Dominoes or Pizza Hut.  When we get replies
>we will post the results.

The best Pizza I have had in many years was at Bella's Pizza in Abingdon VA.
Peter W.Sun MicrosystemsMar 21, 1992
Frank M. wrote:
>Someone wrote:
>>Greetings O. wrote:
>>>Some friends of mine and I have gotten into a considerable debate about
>>>the Pizzas in the USA.  We are looking for recommendations for the
>>>best in any city.  Sorry No Dominoes or Pizza Hut.  When we get replies
>>>we will post the results.
>>>
>This is easy!!!!  The best pizza on the face of the earth is at a place called Monicals.  It is located in Champaign/Urbana Illinois.
>I have been in the Bay area for over ten years now and the only thing that could lure me back to the Illinois winters is the pizza
>at Monicals.  My wife used to work there when I was attending school and says that (at least at that time) the sauce, and crust was
>always made from scratch.  After talking about this, I might have to call them up to have one (thin crust) sent out via overnight
>mail.
>                                  Freewheelin' Frank
>
>

You would take Monical's over Papa Del's?  (Also in Champaign).  I say it's  Pop's for Pizza or nothing at all.

Pete Wung
Neal T.University of PittsburghMar 21, 1992
In Louisville KY, the pre-eminent choice is Impellizzeri's on Bardstown Road.  They really pile on the toppings, followed by an inch or two of cheese. Of course, it takes a good solid, bready crust to hold up to all that stuff on top.

I've seen a single 16-inch pie feed 5 people, WITH leftovers!

Unfortunately, here in Pittsburgh, the pizzas aren't nearly so good.  A new local/regional chain called The Italian Oven is the best -- wood oven, semi- trendy ingredients (their white pizzas are better than the red pies).
William R.Yoyodyne IndustriesMar 22, 1992
I put in a vote for Beau Jeaus (sp?).  They are located in Devner and in the little town on I70 about 25 min before the Eisenhower tunnel (on the way out from denver) (some old silver/gold mining town. . .somebody help me out here).

Beau Jeaus is they only place I've ever been to where the menu is essentially an algorithm for ordering pizza.  You pick the dough (5 or 6 choices), the crust (4-5 choices) then the sauce, the chesses . . . you get the idea.  Also, pizzas are ordered by WEIGHT.  3,4, or 5 pounds.

Its a great place to stop on the way to or returning from skiing.

Bill
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DeborahMar 22, 1992
In Louisville KY, the pre-eminent choice is Impellizzeri's on Bardstown Road.  They really pile on the toppings, followed by an inch or two of cheese. Of course, it takes a good solid, bready crust to hold up to all that stuff on top.

I've seen a single 16-inch pie feed 5 people, WITH leftovers!

Unfortunately, here in Pittsburgh, the pizzas aren't nearly so good.

 A new>local/regional chain called The Italian Oven is the best -- wood oven, semi- trendy ingredients (their white pizzas are better than the red pies)

Well I also live in Pittsburgh and I think the best pizza place that I have ever been to is Bishops Pizza I know of at least two of them in Pittsburgh. They have an awesome Steak pizza that weighs about 4 pounds after they put all the stuff on it like cheese,peppers, and get this french fries. My other favorite place is not in PA but in New York. It is called Hacienda it has been a long time since I was there but I still love the place. It is in Niagra Falls NY or Buffalo right by the Chicken Coop for all those people who live in Buffalo or in that area. I am not sure where abouts it is but I know it is right across the river.

Deborah
Rich S.Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523Mar 23, 1992
William R. wrote:
->
->I put in a vote for Beau Jeaus (sp?).  They are located in Devner and
->in the little town on I70 about 25 min before the Eisenhower tunnel
->(on the way out from denver) (some old silver/gold mining town. .
->.somebody help me out here).
->

Idaho Springs. There's also one on E. Colfax in Denver.

->Beau Jeaus is they only place I've ever been to where the menu is
->essentially an algorithm for ordering pizza.  You pick the dough (5 or
->6 choices), the crust (4-5 choices) then the sauce, the chesses . .
->. you get the idea.  Also, pizzas are ordered by WEIGHT.  3,4, or 5
->pounds.
->
->Its a great place to stop on the way to or returning from skiing.

Not a bad idea, that last sentence.

As for the BEST pizza, that's a never-ending quest.

-Rich
Mary J.Biological Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PAMar 23, 1992
>Unfortunately, here in Pittsburgh, the pizzas aren't nearly so good.  A new
>local/regional chain called The Italian Oven is the best -- wood oven, semi-
>trendy ingredients (their white pizzas are better than the red pies).

You might also try the Greek pizza at Nico's Recovery Room in Bloomfield- loaded with gyro meat, Greek olives, feta cheese, etc.  I have to admit, though, that I'd never understood my husband's love affair with the pizza until I ate it in his home town of New Haven- and we weren't even at one of the famous places.  Connecticut pizza is in a class by itself!  (Now, of course, we have to make a trip to Chicago!)
Mary M.Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MAMar 23, 1992
Greetings O. wrote:

  Some friends of mine and I have gotten into a considerable debate about
  the Pizzas in the USA.  We are looking for recommendations for the
  best in any city.  Sorry No Dominoes or Pizza Hut.  When we get replies
  we will post the results.

  This one friend is taking a few years off and plans on traveling across
  the US and he is a pizza fanatic.

As one other poster said, it really depends on what type of pizza you are looking for.  Here are my recommendations for Boston:

Deep dish: I don't have a recommendation here.  The only people I know of who do deep dish are chains like Pizzeria Oh-No and Pizza Slut. I would be a traitor to my upbringing if I set foot in one of these places (although I've been known to do it under duress).

Thin (NY style): Haymarket Pizza in (of course) the Haymarket.  Big slices cheap.  No sit-down space, and little stand-up space if you catch it during a busy time (when the Haymarket is open, or during lunch hour when everyone in Government Center goes looking for food).

Thicker (almost Sicilian style): Giorgio's on Salem Street in the North End (not far from Haymarket).  Huge slices (1/4 a pie is a slice) cheap.  Kind of crowded, but they opened up a space across the street so finding a table isn't so much a hassle any more.

Note: while both the places I mentioned are inexpensive, that's not why I picked 'em.  Both offer great pies done in the classical style, none of this pineapple-Spam-taco-cheddar cheese-tofu revisionist nonsense.
AnonymousAT&TMar 23, 1992
Greetings O. wrote:
>Some friends of mine and I have gotten into a considerable debate about
>the Pizzas in the USA.  We are looking for recommendations for the
>best in any city.  Sorry No Dominoes or Pizza Hut.  When we get replies
>we will post the results.

Federici's in Freehold, NJ.  Thin crust only, but their crust is out of this world.  My kids who live all across the US insist on one meal at Fed's when they visit.  Also, my wife, who is small and normally will only eat one to one-and one-half slices of "typical pizza", often eats one-half of a large Federici's pie.

Mike Pilla
Jeff F.TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access UnixMar 23, 1992
Greetings O. wrote:

>Some friends of mine and I have gotten into a considerable debate about
>the Pizzas in the USA.  We are looking for recommendations for the
>best in any city.  Sorry No Dominoes or Pizza Hut.  When we get replies
>we will post the results.

I used to hate the very idea of "designer" pizzas, but... That was before I tasted the pizza at B Moloch in Portland, Oregon.  B Moloch is a restaurant associated with the Heathman Hotel and attached to a satellite plant of one of our local microbreweries, Widmer.  In addition to the Widmer beers, they carry a respectable selection of local beers and a lot of really excellent breads, baked in their brick oven.

The pizza, though! The best is smoked lamb, spinach and feta cheese. The crust is incredibly delicious (this is IMO almost more important than the stuff on top) but the goodies, oh the goodies...

Escape from New York, which has two stores in town, also makes a very respectable NY style pizza, whole or by the slice.  A classic test: when you pick up the slice does it hang straight down?

--Jeff
Peter T.Purdue University Engineering Computer NetworkMar 24, 1992
I give thumbs up to escape from NY pizza. I was in Portland Or twice and enjoyed it both times I was there.

There is a great pizza place south of Chicago about 30 miles SW. It is only about 4-5 miles south of interstate 80 on the intersection of route 45 and route 30.

The place is called Enrico's and has been around for about 20 or so years. They have a great deep dish pizza and a great sauce. The sausage used is some of the best I've had on a pie.

The place is packed every night, and it isn't too uncommon to wait an hour or so on the weekends to get a table. They don't take reservations.

pete
Rob K.University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, ILMar 24, 1992
Peter W. wrote:
>Frank M. wrote:
>>Someone wrote:
>>This is easy!!!!  The best pizza on the face of the earth is at a place
>>called Monicals.  It is located in Champaign/Urbana Illinois.  I have been
>>in the Bay area for over ten years now and the only thing that could lure
>>me back to the Illinois winters is the pizza at Monicals. [...]
>You would take Monical's over Papa Del's?  (Also in Champaign).  I say it's
>Pop's for Pizza or nothing at all.

People have told me that Chicago and here (Champaign/Urbana) are the two best places to get pizza in general.  Supposedly this is from some national food reviewer somewhere.  I'm not certain I agree.

Papa Del's is something of a legend here; I've run into Illinois alumni in Columbus, Cleveland, Portland, and San Francisco who all ask me if Papa Del's is still around.  Also all the orange-and-blue-polyester-football-freaks from Chicago fill the place on football weekends.

While Papa Del's is good for stuffed pizza, I'm not a big fan of the genre and I don't see much to distinguish Papa Del's from the other stuffed pizzas around (except perhaps for 1" cubic pieces of sausage...).  It's also monstrously expensive.

Monical's is chain-like and has expanded into other little Illinois cities. Not bad at all, but not incredible IMHO.

Lastly, while we're at the task of touting places people may never go, if you're even in Urbana Illinois, try the Jolly Roger in downtown Urbana.
*Incredible* thin-crust East-coast style pizza, like an oasis in the middle of a deep-dish Midwest desert.

Rob
Kiran W.Indiana UniversityMar 24, 1992
Someone wrote:

>Some friends of mine and I have gotten into a considerable debate about
>the Pizzas in the USA.  We are looking for recommendations for the
>best in any city.

We are lucky to have some very fine pizza in Indianapolis, at a little place called Some Guys. The owners came from CA to open a pizza place here, and it's the real stuff. One of my favorites is caramelised onions, spinach, bacon, and gorgonzola. Exquisite. They recently installed a wood-fired oven. Great stuff, their advertisments say "Some Guys deliver" and they certainly do. Their pizza is as good as any I've ever had.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Spago in LA, where Wolfgang Puck started the California pizza revolution. (Chez Panisse in Berkeley has a crust to die for, but their toppings are a bit strange even for CA.) Spiazzo in SF has the lightest crust I've ever had.

I remember the Uppercrust in Atlanta as being very good but i have only tried it once. Edwardo's and Uno/Due in Chicago are quite good.

I haven't yet managed to try Pomidori's in Cincinnati, but hope to get out there this month. I also hope to try Eureka Bar & Grill (another Puck restaurant, presumably in Eureka?) as well as to Al Forno/Lucky's in Providence.  Someone on the net recommended Fremont Classic Pizza in Seattle for a garlic pizza, yet another place I have to get to this summer. And maybe i will even have to try a New York Style pie in NYC Any recommendations?

I second the recommendation of Impellizeri in Louisville, but be warned it's not to everyone's liking. And it certainly is not on the rarefied plane of Some Guys. Many people swear by Rocky's Sub Pub across the river in Clarksville, but it seems variable to me.

>This one friend is taking a few years off and plans on traveling across
>the US and he is a pizza fanatic.

*chuckle* I have never met anyone who loves pizza as much as I do. I could eat pizza three times a day for the rest of my life and never get bored.

I hope that he takes careful notes and writes a book detailing his discoveries. _Real Barbecue_ has been a wonderful source for us barbecue lovers, as have Jane & Michael Stern's books for good regional cuisine.

Enjoy,
	__Kiran
Chuck W.The Software Engineering InstituteMar 24, 1992
In Pittsburgh one of the great pizzas is available from Vincent's on Rte. 30 east of Forest Hills.  They sell a "works but" pizza (the works, but no anchovy's) which is loaded with goodies, on a thick tasty, sometimes burnt crust.  When you eat it be sure to have plenty of napkins to catch the grease as it rolls down to your elbow.

An excellent, more traditional, pizza can be found at Mineo's in Squirrel Hill.  Their italian sausage is wonderful.  For years Mineo's won the Pittsburgh Magazine readers poll for best pizza.  As the chains became more widespread a little neighborhood place can't hope to get enough votes to win this anymore in a metropolitan area.  Now Pizza Hut is ranked tops, but I believe Mineo's comes in second or third.

Chuck Weinstock				[email removed]
Software Engineering Institute		(412) 268-7719
Carnegie Mellon University		(412) 268-5758 (Fax)
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
Tamara R.Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, COMar 24, 1992
Beau Jo's is located in Idaho Springs. It's a wonderful drive west of Denver on I-70. Beautiful indian hot springs. It is not to be missed. We stop whenever we're passing through.
Carol M.University at BuffaloMar 24, 1992
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All of my favorite places are in Chicago.  This is based on my having lived in New Orleans, Kansas City, Chicago, Toledo, and Buffalo:

	First place:  My Pi (particularly the sausage and green olive)

	Second place: Eduardo's

	Third place:  Gino's East (the one near Northwestern U. Law
                 School, downtown campus)

My vote for most over-rated pizza chain/franchise:

	Uno's Pizzaria (or Pizzaria Uno's, I forget exactly)
	based upon Uno's in Chicago

As for Buffalo, NY, I noticed someone mentioned The Pizza Plant. My husband and sister love the place; I absolutely hate it. My major complaint is the use of prepared, pre-crushed, bottled garlic on the pizza.  I hate that stuff.  Only fresh cloves will do for me.  I have given up eating pizza out here in Buffalo. But my husband makes an excellent Chicago-style pizza at home, so I'm not in too bad of shape.

Carol
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Craig G.Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USAMar 24, 1992
> The best pizza in the US is Sally's in New Haven, CT, with Pepe's
> (just down the street) a close second.  Salvatore Consiglio is
> probably one of the few inventors of the American tomato pie (the
> italian version is very different) still alive and cooking.

Agreed.  There is no pizza better than Sally's, and there isn't really much point in looking.  I think Sally died a year or two ago, though. Like the Michelin Guide says (re. three star restaurants), "Vaut la Voyage," even if the voyage is from Colorado.

>I put in a vote for Beau Jeaus (sp?).  They are located in Devner and
>in the little town on I70 about 25 min before the Eisenhower tunnel
>(on the way out from denver) (some old silver/gold mining town. .
>.somebody help me out here).
>Its a great place to stop on the way to or returning from skiing.

It's not a good place to go to for any reason.  This is the worst pizza anywhere.  Imagine a loaf of bad bread flattened with a cinder block and covered with a heap of stuff that you just pulled out of the garbage.  I had to pay them by the pound to take it away.

>Stay away from Papa Gino's chain in New England.
>Far away.

Why?  Papa Gino's pizza is actually pretty close to the pizza that's served in Naples, which is allegedly the home of Italian pizza.  It isn't great like the New Haven places, but it's certainly better than the other chains I've tried.

Craig
AnonymousAmherst College, Amherst, MA.Mar 25, 1992
I don't claim to have eaten pizza in every city in the U.S., BUT...

I'll nominate Zachary's (two locations, Berkeley and Oakland).  It is "Chicago-style" stuffed pizza, though residents of that area will of course maintain that there is no such thing outside of the Windy City.  So call it "Zachary's-style," sit back, and enjoy an AMAZING pizza.

Fantastic, slightly sour crust, huge chunks of tomatoes (not just "sauce"), plus all sorts of creative "stuffings" in addition to the standards: grilled chicken w/ basil (ah, California!), chorizzo, etc., etc., etc...

Anyway, it seems to me like this project is headed for some rough waters. The simple fact is, people are passionate about WHAT a pizza should be to begin with.  Yeah, I'm talking about the East/West, thin/thick types of debates.  For example, I would also nominate Blondie's for the best pizza-by-the-slice operation in the world, mostly because I LOVE thick, fluffy crusts (plus, the place is an internationally-known institution: I've seen "Make Pizza Not War" t-shirts all over the world).  But I just wouldn't compare it to Zachary's.  They're two different foods, to my mind.  And my girlfriend (whose family is from NY) likes this gross, cardboard-and-runny-sauce New York-style pizza (that oughta start something).

Just different pizzas for different folks...maybe we should put them into categories to see how tastes vary across the continent?

-michael
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Pamela E.Development and Fund Raising, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PAMar 25, 1992
Here are three more to add to the list:

My absolute favorite pizza in the entire world is made at a place called The Reservoir in Parsippany/Mountain Lakes New Jersey.  The place is just a kind of dumpy neighborhood bar but the lines are always out the door for their pizza.

Another suggestion is Pizza Pappalis in the Greektown area of Detroit. They serve excellent Chicago-style deep-dish pizza.

Milanos in Buffalo is also pretty good.  It's a local take-out only place.

Pam
BONACCI J.University of Toronto, Engineering Computing FacilityMar 25, 1992
Rob K. wrote:
>Peter W. wrote:
>>Frank M. wrote:
>>>Someone wrote:
>>>This is easy!!!!  The best pizza on the face of the earth is at a place
>>>called Monicals.  It is located in Champaign/Urbana Illinois.  I have been
>>You would take Monical's over Papa Del's?  (Also in Champaign).  I say it's
>
>People have told me that Chicago and here (Champaign/Urbana) are the two best
>places to get pizza in general.  Supposedly this is from some national food
>reviewer somewhere.  I'm not certain I agree.
>
>Papa Del's is something of a legend here; I've run into Illinois alumni in
>Columbus, Cleveland, Portland, and San Francisco who all ask me if Papa Del's
>is still around.  Also all the orange-and-blue-polyester-football-freaks from
>Chicago fill the place on football weekends.
>
>Lastly, while we're at the task of touting places people may never go, if
>you're even in Urbana Illinois, try the Jolly Roger in downtown Urbana.
>*Incredible* thin-crust East-coast style pizza, like an oasis in the middle of
>a deep-dish Midwest desert.
>
>Rob

Really now!!  The Jolly Roger????
From what I have seen, Champaign/Urbana does qualify as a pizza mecca. You could put 100 locals together and get as many as 15 first place choices as to which of the many pizza places (per capita, there are a lot) is "the best".  Monicals and Jolly Roger would be better than average anywhere else.  And probably 50 of those 100 would pick Papa Del's.  Quite a few would also name Garcia's.  I guess the point is, had the question been something like "where is the pizza mecca", Champaign-Urbana would be a front runner.

But let me clue you in on one of North America's finest.  It's SO obscure but SO good.  Gary's Pizza in tiny little Homer, 25 minutes south and east of Champiagn-Urbana.  It is the most delectable thin-crust pizza I've ever let a restaurant make for me.  I would put it way above Monical's, Jolly Roger, Pagliai's (sp?), or any other local thin.

I must agree though, liking thin crust pizza in the Chicago-Champaign pizza region can be a bit frustrating.

Signed,
Illinois Alum who does not consider Papa Del's the greatest (not bad, but not the greatest)
Melissa P.Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CAMar 25, 1992
Our family's favorite pizza comes from Mama Patrillos in San Gabriel,CA. The best pizza I've ever had.

Melissa
Jill B.Georgia Tech Res. Inst., Modeling & Analysis LabMar 25, 1992
The best pizza -- in Greenville, IL, a little town (about 5000 people) about 40 miles east of St. Louis on I-70. Mario's Pizza! Mario is from Italy (can't remember what city), and he makes wonderful pizza! I had a college friend who had a Mario's small cheese pizza EVERY night for supper (she gained about 40 lbs that year!).

Try it, you'll love it!

-Jill
Peter B.the HP Corporate notes serverMar 25, 1992
Here's another Illinois Alumn with a note of nostalgia for Pappa Del's. It took *many* iterations to come up with a close replica (got pretty broke at times), but the experience makes *me* the best source for Chicago/Champaign style pizza in the SF bay area.  :-), as needed.

For the upscale yuppie/woodfired pizza, we have a cafe in San Jose that was founded by the owners of one of the better restaurants in town (Eulipia).  They do a lot of varients, ranging from a BBQ chicken (that one is an acquired taste), through a cheesesteak style, all the way back to traditional pies and a wonderful calzone.  They are also open for breakfast, but allergies prevent me from trying the eggs benedict breakfast pizza.  (No joke; it looks wonderful.) This pizzeria is called Willow Street Woodfired Pizza.  It's been open for a couple of months now, and it's regularly packed on the weekends and many nights.  Haven't tried it at breakfast time.

BTW, each pizza is intended for one hungry person.  cost ranges from $7 to $9, with discounts for quantities.

Pete Brooks
Jonathan S.CfA, Cambridge, Mass.Mar 26, 1992
>broke at times), but the experience makes *me* the best source for
>Chicago/Champaign style pizza in the SF bay area.  :-), as needed.

I'd put in a word for Zachary's pizza -- 2 restaurants in Berkeley. Call ahead, and you can eat the pizza there when you arrive.  there are always long lines.

jon
Ton~o S.Cornell UniversityMar 27, 1992
	The best "deep_dish" pizza: THE NINE'S in Ithaca, NY. (-:
Sharon B.Bell Labs, Denver, Co.Mar 27, 1992
Well, I guess I should throw my hat into the fray. The best pizza I have ever had is Front St. Trattoria in Red Bank, New Jersey (there is a North- side Trattoria in Westfield and another one in Ocean and I'm sure they are just as good). They have thin crust and thick crust pizza. The thick crust is to die for. Nothing better. It used to be a great deal back when it open- ed. But, it was gotten incredibly popular (for obvious reasons) and the prices have been climbing ever since. Still great pizza, but no longer a great deal. Everytime I'm back in Monmouth County I make an effort to get my Front St. pizza.

I happen to think NY style pizza is wonderful, but then I grew up on the stuff. And to date, I've not found it outside of the NY metro area. This is the kind of pizza where the cheese slithers off the crust because of all the grease. When I was a little tyke, I had it every Wednesday for lunch. Along with blue or red Italian ices.

As far as pizza west of the Mississippi River, there aren't that many good examples (not having eaten at either Chez Panisse or Spago's, I can't speak for them). BeauJo's in Idaho Springs is pretty good though nothing like the pizza I'm used to. I like their whole wheat crust with honey on it. It's a neat twist. In Boulder, my two favorite pizzas are Jalino's and the 14th St Grill. Jalino's makes a good thick crust pizza. Not up to Front St. standards but very good. And a heck of a lot cheaper. 14th St. Grill makes more yuppie sorts of pizza, but it's real good. Exclusively thin crust pizza.

What some people think passes for great pizza, I find barely passable. Like I don't go for Chicago stuffed pizza in a big way. The crust just wasn't right. But, my bias is that particulary stretchy crust that one gets in NY. Crust that acts more like regular ole bread is not pizza crust to me.
Daniel E.Wheaton CollegeMar 28, 1992
Vincent's Pizza Park near Wilkinsburg in the Pittsburgh area is the best pizza I've ever had. The place is a total dive, but it has that Twin Peaks sort of charm.

Dan
Christopher P.Taligent, Inc.Mar 30, 1992
Cafe Avventura, the Garage, Harvard Square, Cambridge MA USA.  The best pizza I have ever had, although I understand that most people consider it terrible ...
Mary M.Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MAMar 31, 1992
Christopher P. wrote:

  Cafe Avventura, the Garage, Harvard Square, Cambridge MA USA.  The
  best pizza I have ever had, although I understand that most people
  consider it terrible ...

It IS terrible.  Cold, greasy, and indifferently prepared...at least the last four times I've been there.  Before It Changed it was a reasonably good approximation of NY style pizza.
Lisa C.Microsoft Corp.Apr 2, 1992
Great Pizzas I have known:

1. La Barberas in Santa Monica,  CA -  Owned by an Italian family - Closed.

2. Domenico's in Pasadena, CA - Wonderful traditional thin crust pizza

3. Le Carre's in So Pasadena, Ca - Another really good traditional pizza

4.  Big Time Pizza in Redmond Wa - Traditional style pizza with innovative ingredients

5. Okay, I  guess I have to put my Mom's place in here - Jovino's Pizza in Paramount, CA - Traditional style pizza
Christopher B.George Mason University, Fairfax Va.Apr 2, 1992
The best pizza in the U.S. is in Northern Virginia. It can be found in a very unique restaurant called Generous George's Positive Pizza Place, located on Duke Street in Alexandria, VA.

Chris Boes
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