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14 posts · Dec 22, 1997 to Dec 18, 1998

Ronald O.The National Capital FreeNetDec 22, 1997
Someone wrote:
> For a good place to eat and an experience of San Fran I would Recomend the
> stinking rose. Its located in the North beach district. If you don't like
> garlic then forget this place. Good luck!

Sorry, but my wife and I just ate there about a month ago and found it a little overly cutesy.  It's a garlic theme superimposed over psuedo italian and so very trendy it felt a little stand offish.  The real deal is in Vegas at the Garlic Cafe - warm, friendly and cheap.
Eric H.Hewlett-PackardDec 24, 1997
Someone wrote:
: For a good place to eat and an experience of San Fran I would Recomend the : stinking rose. Its located in the North beach district. If you don't like : garlic then forget this place. Good luck!

Stinking Rose, well, Stinks. Tacky tourist place with below average food. There are a zillion good choices for eats in North Beach, don't waste time at SR.

Try Rose Pistola for one thing. OR Washington Sq. Bar and Grill.

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Tom D.Apple Computer, Inc.Dec 28, 1997
Eric H. wrote:

>Someone wrote:
>: For a good place to eat and an experience of San Fran I would Recomend the
>: stinking rose. Its located in the North beach district. If you don't like
>: garlic then forget this place. Good luck!
>
>Stinking Rose, well, Stinks. Tacky tourist place with below average food.
>There are a zillion good choices for eats in North Beach, don't waste
>time at SR.
>
>Try Rose Pistola for one thing. OR Washington Sq. Bar and Grill.

Reed Herron's cooking (originally at LuLu's, now Rose Pistola) is a subject of hot debate here in the Bay Area.  I, for one, am not a big fan of it.  YMMV, but I'd recomment a reservation at least -- this one is a hot ticket right now.

Another decent spot in the area is Moose's, although I have not been there in a great while.

Another (completely different) place for a quick bite is "Mario's Bohemian Cigar Store".  Neighborhood place, very small.  The sandwiches are good, and inexpensive.  It was in some Visa commercial, but you should ignore that.  Overlooks Washington Square Park, so some decent people watching.
AnonymousDec 30, 1997
From: [email removed] (Joanie)

>I went to Lulu when I visited a few weeks ago.  It was okay, and
>certainly was relatively "happening", but do you think I should have
>gone to Fringale instead?

Apples and Oranges.  They're not really comparable.  Lulu is sort of "family style for grownups".  Fringale is much more sophisticated.  If it weren't for the fact that the tables are too close together and consequently the din dreadful, I'd say it was far more elegant.   (Not a good place for a romantic dinner)   Adore the food at Fringale, just loathe the atmosphere.
Lisa G.DNAI ( Direct Network Access )Dec 31, 1997
Tom D. wrote:

>
> Eric H. wrote:
>
> >Someone wrote:
> >: For a good place to eat and an experience of San Fran I would
> Recomend the
> >: stinking rose. Its located in the North beach district. If you
> don't like
> >: garlic then forget this place. Good luck!
> >
> >Stinking Rose, well, Stinks. Tacky tourist place with below average
> food.
> >There are a zillion good choices for eats in North Beach, don't waste
>
> >time at SR.
> >
> >Try Rose Pistola for one thing. OR Washington Sq. Bar and Grill.
>
> Reed Herron's cooking (originally at LuLu's, now Rose Pistola) is a
> subject of hot debate here in the Bay Area.  I, for one, am not a big
> fan
> of it.  YMMV, but I'd recomment a reservation at least -- this one is
> a
> hot ticket right now.
>
> Another decent spot in the area is Moose's, although I have not been
> there
> in a great while.
>
> Another (completely different) place for a quick bite is "Mario's
> Bohemian
> Cigar Store".  Neighborhood place, very small.  The sandwiches are
> good,
> and inexpensive.  It was in some Visa commercial, but you should
> ignore
> that.  Overlooks Washington Square Park, so some decent people
> watching.
>
> --
>  Tom Dowdy                  Internet: [email removed]
>  Apple Computer MS:302-3KS
>  1 Infinite Loop
>  Cupertino, CA 95014
>  "The 'Ooh-Ah' Bird is so called because it lays square eggs."

I would agree with Tom that Reed Herron's cooking is highly overrated. My husband and I were disappointed with dinner at LuLu's a few years ago, when it was an even "hipper" place than it is now.  And twice we've been let down at Rose Pistola (we wouldn't have returned for a second time had it not been for out-of-town guests ). There are hundreds of GREAT restaurants in SF, and thousands of good ones; this just isn't one of them. I would highly recommend Bonta on Union St. -- cozy little Italian, but very elegant too, with wonderful food and service. I never hear anyone talk about it, though. Has anyone else had a great experience there?
AnonymousDec 31, 1997
From: Lisa Garvey

>There are hundreds of GREAT restaurants in SF, and thousands >of good ones;
this just isn't one of them. I would highly >recommend Bonta on Union St. -- cozy little
>Italian, but very elegant too, with wonderful food and service. I >never hear
anyone talk about it, though. Has anyone else had a >great >experience there?
>
PilgrimSirius ConnectionsJan 4, 1998
Joanie wrote:

> Tom D. wrote:
>
> > Reed Herron's cooking (originally at LuLu's, now Rose Pistola) is a
> > subject of hot debate here in the Bay Area.  I, for one, am not a big fan
> > of it.
>
>
> I went to Lulu when I visited a few weeks ago.  It was okay, and
> certainly was relatively "happening", but do you think I should have
> gone to Fringale instead?  Is Cava 555 still there?
>
>
> Joanie

I vote for LuLu.  A short time ago, we came home from a dinner out at a new spot that was okay but nothing great, and my husband said, "Why do we keep whoring ourselves around? Why don't we just go to LuLu and be done with it?"

He does have a point.  Food never has disappointed; prices are in line with quality; satisfaction quotient is high.
John E.Silicon Graphics, Inc.Jan 6, 1998
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|> >> Reed Herron's cooking (originally at LuLu's, now Rose Pistola)
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|> >> subject of hot debate here in the Bay Area.  I, for one, am not
|> a big fan
|> >> of it.
|> >
|> >
|> >I went to Lulu when I visited a few weeks ago.  It was okay, and
|> >certainly was relatively "happening", but do you think I should
|> have
|> >gone to Fringale instead?  Is Cava 555 still there?
|> >
|>
|> I would have gone to Fringale.  Don't know about Cava 555.  Is
|> Flying Saucer
|> still up to snuff?

Cava 555 has been closed for a few years now.  I agree with those who posted earlier that Lulu's and Fringale are pretty different from each other, so hard to compare.

Lulu's is a big place that is fairly casual, espcially early in the evening. It's good for a group of friends (or family).  The food is pretty standard, but well prepared.  It's fun to share the food around the table.  Not too expensive.  Outside of prime hours, it's easy to get a table as a walk in.

Fringale is a much smaller place.  It's a bit more expensive.  Food is higher quality.  You need a reservation.  Better for a smaller groupe of people. Atmosphere is a bit more formal (but, it's still a bistro).  I never noticed a problem with cramped tables, but I've never been on a date there either.

-j

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Michael S.Oversized MetaphysicsJan 6, 1998
LLGD5000 wrote:
>
> From: [email removed] (Joanie)
>
> >I went to Lulu when I visited a few weeks ago.  It was okay, and
> >certainly was relatively "happening", but do you think I should have
> >gone to Fringale instead?
>
> Apples and Oranges.  They're not really comparable.  Lulu is sort of "family
> style for grownups".  Fringale is much more sophisticated.  If it weren't for
> the fact that the tables are too close together and consequently the din
> dreadful, I'd say it was far more elegant.   (Not a good place for a romantic
> dinner)   Adore the food at Fringale, just loathe the atmosphere.

Lulu is an effing barn, w/250 seats,  good rustic food, but crapola in the service department, and the policy is to turn those tables as fast as possible.  It's not even as entertaining as the Sicilian Ruffians at Caffe Sport used to be.  You could not pay me to eat there (well, make me an offer...)

Fringale is a Bistro, 45-50 seats, with a genuine, regional French cuisine (Sud-Ouest/Basquaise), and is a far better value.
Alan B.IBM.NETJan 24, 1998
>
>Maybe I committed sacrilege and I am very sorry to have offended your
>wonderful good taste.  Perhaps you could make a suggestion or two for
>the australians?  Or do you just bitch?

Bitching is complaining.  I was offering a highly opinionated observation.  But, since you ask, here are a few:

Ya-Ya Cuisine - in the Sunset district.  Very unique fusion of California and Middle Eastern foods.  Not too expensive either.

Stoyanof's Cafe - also in the Sunset.  Neighborhood joint. Great Greek food.

As long as you now know where the Sunset is, and want a break from the cookie-cutter Bar-B-Que of Tony Roma's, try Cheung Hing for terrific Chinese Bar-B-Que.  A bonus is that you can get a side of lo mein with it.

Now for Union Square, etc.

Palio di Asti for Italian
Rumpus - California eclectic
Sam's Grill - been around forever. Classic San Fran style

If you're stayin in or around Union Square, walk the few blocks up to Chinatown and go in and out or various little restaurants and bakeries sampling as you take in the sights.

(remove nojunk to reply.)
Nathan E.Forte Systems, Inc.Jan 28, 1998
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If you like beef, some other places to try are:

House of Prime Rib (~$23/person plus drinks & tip, fixed price): Big servings of very good prime rib, distinctive salad, mashed potatoes and creamed spinach... not much for variety, but if you like prime rib, it's a must.

There are a number of good local steakhouses; I've tried both Izzy's (moderate price) and Harris's (high price) and they're both good, given the difference in price range.
Nathan E.Forte Systems, Inc.Jan 30, 1998
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* Frayed wrote the following on Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:20:29 GMT: F% In article , Nathan E. wrote:

>If you like beef, some other places to try are:
>House of Prime Rib (~$23/person plus drinks & tip, fixed price): Big

F% Where is HOPR?
F% Thanks
F% Karen in San Jose

Van Ness ... between Washington & Clay, I think, but I may be a block off.
AnonymousFeb 1, 1998
On 23 Jan 1998 09:25:42 GMT, [email removed] (Ronald V. Overton) wrote:

>
>Someone wrote:
>>>
>>>My wife and I ate ribs at Tony Roma's this past October.  They were great.
>>> It's near Union Square downtown. ...
>>
>> SACRILEGE!  Going to San Francisco and eating at Tony Roma's?????  Why
>> bother going to San Fran?  Hell, you might as well have stayed in Des
>> Moines (or wherever.)    With all the great restaurants within walking
>> distance of Union Square, I just don't get it.
>>
>> And, recommending a chain joint to foreign visitors is even worse.
>>
>> I'll bet that you can't wait to get to Wendy's when you visit Rome.
>>
>> Yes, when it comes to discussions about the "finer points" of these
>> chains or franchises, I turn into the worst kind of snob.  Be safe,
>> taste mediocrity at a chain.  Or, take a chance and investigate
>> something new and unique.
>
>Maybe I committed sacrilege and I am very sorry to have offended your
>wonderful good taste.  Perhaps you could make a suggestion or two for
>the australians?  Or do you just bitch?

Anybody who answers your request without giving a suggestion of their own is wasting my time. Had GREAT dim sum at Ton Kiang (sp?) on Geary between (I think) 22nd and 23rd Aves. Barbequed pork pastries...snow pea greens.....I wanna go back but I don't live there  :(

Enjoy!

Marc
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Try Scoma's on the wharf - I had a ton of freshly caught crab in their crab Louie- just order the dressing on the side.  You'll be in crustacean heaven.
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